RANT WARNING - Stupid Horse People

    • Gold Top Dog

    RANT WARNING - Stupid Horse People

    I know we have a horse forum here, but I don't play there.  I do know we have many horse people right here in doggy forum land, so please allow me to rant amongst those I know.
     
    Every now and then, I will read a post here and wonder to myself, why does this person own a dog.  Not often, but once in awhile.  Based on my limited experience with horses, I truly believe that the percentage of horse owners who shouldn't own horses is far higher than that of dog owners who shouldn't own dogs.
     
    First, a little background.  As I mentioned, my experience with horses is minimal.  I married into horses, if you will, about 3 years ago.  My wife is quite knowledgeable about horses and my step daughter is really an expert.  My personal involvement with the horses is pretty much limited to shoveling what they tell me to shovel.  My forte is pasture management.
     
    Horse people are all around us.  Within a couple of miles, are two, large, equestrian training centers.  Several of our neighbors operate boarding facalities, some good and some not so good.  We used to board horses, but haven't done so for a couple of years.  It was just too much work for too little income.
     
    About 3 years ago, on Memorial Day weekend, we had a situation with one of our boarders.  The boarder's wife had come out that morning and fed their two horses.  This was spring time.  The grass in the pasture was very lush.  The horses had not yet been turned out for longer than a couple of hours at a time.  Unfortunately, on this morning, she neglected to close the paddock gate of one of their horses and there was no one home to catch her error.  The horse spent the day gorging himself on this lush, green, no doubt, very tasty, grass.  When we got home that evening, the horse was down, in the pasture, with horrible colic.  We called the owner and the vet.  The owner arrived before the vet but we were unable to get the horse up.  I offered to shoot the horse, but the owner elected to wait on the vet to see what he had to say.  When the vet got there, the decision to put the horse down was made.
     
    If you have ever seen a horse colic, you know it isn't a pleasant experience for the horse and it certainly isn't pleasant to watch.  For all practical purposes, there is nothing that can be done for a horse with severe colic.  Surgery, I am told, is an option but is very expensive and seldom successful.
     
    All of this brings us to last night and my rant.  I was cooking supper.  The wife was outside, doing chores.  She came to the door and asked if I could help catch a couple of horses that were loose in the neighbor's pasture.  It was getting dark.  We weren't sure who the horses belonged to, but we figured we could get them confined and figure that out later.  That's the way things are done here.  When you see horses loose, you catch them and, if you don't know who they belong to, you wait for the owner to come looking for them.
     
    Our neighbor did know who the horses belonged to.  She called the owner, who said she would be there in 10 minutes, while we tried to catch their horses, a mare and a gelding.  The mare we were able to catch pretty much right away and get into a fenced pasture.  The gelding was being stupid, as horses can.  He was determined not to be caught.  By now, it was getting very dark, the sky was overcast and there was no moonlight.
     
    While we were doing our best to just keep the gelding in sight, we noticed that the mare was down in the pasture, rolling around, and not getting up.  Not a good sign.  The wife and I did discuss that the mare looked pregnant and perhaps we were going to get to see a baby be birthed right in our pasture.  Cool.
     
    The owner arrives.  As it turns out, she is boarding at one of the places down the road a bit.  One of those places who should not be boarding horses.  She catches the gelding immediately.  She says the mare is not pregnant and is 27 years old.  We do get the mare up.  The owner comments that the mare looks very bloated.  Wonderful.
     
    The owner had two teenage kids with her.  They start walking the horses home.  They get to the far corner of our large yard and the mare lays down again.  We go to see if we can help.  Now, on the scene are my wife, my SD, me, the horse owner and her two teenaged kids.  So there are 5 of us.  The mare is in obvious distress.  The neighbor across the road and his wife come out to help.  7 of us on the scene.  The neighbor says he thought he saw the horses on the wrong side of the fence that morning, as he was headed to work.  We now figured that these horses, who were used to a crap pasture, had been grazing in waist high alfalfa, all day.  The 7 of us are unable to get the mare to her feet. 
     
    I head to the barn, to get a whip, to see if we can beat the mare and get her up.  The owner okays this plan.  Just as I am walking away, a couple of guys in a pickup stop to see if they can help.  Not really wanting to beat the mare, but realizing we must get her up, we decide to try, one more time, to get her to her feet.  This time, between pulling on her head and beating on her butt, she gets up.  FINALLY!!!
     
    Now is where the stupid owner part of this comes in.
     
    The owner tells her kid to walk the mare to the barn and put her in a stall.  My dear SD, completely out of character for her, gets right in this woman's face and CALMLY says, "Don't put the horse in a stall, you **cking idiot.  Walk the horse around until the vet gets here. If you put the horse in a stall, she will lay down.  Don't let her lay down.  You have to walk her around."  The owner tells the kid to walk the horse around for awhile.
     
    You could tell by her response that she had no intention of calling a vet.  Probably hasn't got the money.  She probably boards at this crap place because it is the cheapest boarding facility around.  Her horses are pieces of crap, with no respect for people or for fences.  I bet you that mare was dead this morning after suffering all night long.
     
    Sorry for the long rant and the waste of bandwidth.
    • Gold Top Dog
    That is awful. I too have much respect for horses. My very first job was when I was 11. I got paid in free riding, what more could an 11 year old girl want.  We have many horse farms around us and I have called to complain about some. I can not stand to see such a beautiful creature living in crap.  Alot of people around here get a horse because they have the room, the novalty wears off and the horse then gets neglected.  Is there anyway you could go down and check how the mare made out, maybe take a look around and if it is pretty bad down there, make some phone calls.
     
    It just makes me sick.
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    I hate reading that.  I have such an amazing respect for horses and am hoping with all my hope to have one, or a few, very soon.  I will take the very best care but I know I have a lot to learn.  Those magnificent animals in the care of idiots, its a shame.  It kills me with the dgo stories too.  I didnt know you had horses you lucky s.o.b! lol...
     
    So they can only eat one kind of grass.. and if they get into another kind they get sick?
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    Billy,
     I'm sorry you've had to deal with both of these colics. I know first handed the distress of colic. I was blessed with my colicy girl as she was boarded at a very knowledgable stable and she coliced twice a year, if needed to or not! Many a day and night were spent walking this girl, I developed my own colic antidote and experienced the dreaded *Glove* for cleaning out the bowels.
     
    Out of the mouths of babes...Give your SD a big hug from me for being so brazen to this woman, she might not have used the best wording but she got her attention at a time when it was needed...too bad the owner didn't have as much concern for her own horse...or maybe she just wasn't educated enough to know.
     
    I am crying thinking about the poor mare, I pray she is better
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    Jamie, I don't think the owner lacked concern, I think she lacked knowledge.  When SD was talking to her about colic, the lady didn't even seem to know what that meant.
     
    SD, btw, is 21, a senior in college, pre-vet.  Not really a "babe."  [:)]
     
    When they walked away with the horse last night, the rest of us were standing there talking.  I really didn't realize how serious the situation was, until we were talking about it.  The concensus seemed to be that the lady would not call a vet and, if she didn't, the horse would die a horrible death by this morning.  My across the road neighbor was going to walk down and talk to the lady to explain to her how serious the situation was and that she needed to call a a vet, whether she can afford it or not.  She should, at a very minimum, call a vet to put the horse down.  I really don't think this lady knows any more about horses than I do and I certainly didn't know what she should do.  Hopefully, it all worked out, but I have my doubts.
     
    If I had known how dire the situation was, I would have, at least offered, to shoot the horse last night and call the meat wagon this morning, to pick up the carcass.  That wouldn't have cost them much and would have put the horse out of her obvious misery.
    • Gold Top Dog
    ORIGINAL: loveukaykay

    So they can only eat one kind of grass.. and if they get into another kind they get sick?

     
    No.  At least that's not how I understand it anyway.  Someone correct me if I am wrong.
     
    The colic was caused not by the type of grass the horse ate, but by the amount of grass she ate.  What she was used to was crap pasture, where she could graze, all day, and still not really get enough to eat.  When they got into the alfalfa field, she could probably eat all she needed to eat in a couple of hours, because the quality of the grass was that much better.  Unfortunately, a horse will keep eating until they colic.
     
    Like I said, if I explained it wrong, someone please correct me.
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    Horses can't vomit and the rich grass (after a long time on minimal pasturage) would be like us eating five pounds of chocolate at one sitting--utter misery. WE could vomit and feel better; horses can't. They bloat up and are in excrutiating pain.

    This woman has NO business owing horses if: A--no money and b--no knowledge. Grrrr
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    Colic can also be caused from ingesting sand/dirt when horses are eating off the ground such as short cropped grasses or hay.
     
    It's hard to know everything and I surely had no idea what colic was the first time my horse had to be treated for it. Luckily for me as I said earlier, I boarded where there were knowlegable people who were willing to teach and share.
     
    Let me know if you hear anything about the horse.
     
    • Gold Top Dog
    There are quite a few causes of colic, which is pretty much just a big bellyache for horses, but, like others said, they can't throw up to get rid of it. It's not the alfalfa as a rule that makes horses colic, but if a horse is not used to eating that rich 'grass', and they graze on it for too long, it causes them to get colic. They can also founder from it, though I am not really sure what would cause a horse to colic  instead of founder. If a horse is not used to eating grass all winter, and they are let out the first day on a rich, new grass, and let to graze all day, it can cause colic too, it doesn't necessarily have to be alfalfa. Just overeating of something they're not used to. The same thing can happen with grain; if a horse gets out and eats a whole bunch of grain, they'll get sick from that, too.

    I know what you're saying about people who don't really know anything about horses owing one, it is really sad. Maybe a different topic, but anyway, when I go to a horse show or horse fair ( such as this last weekend) you'll always see people that don't treat their horses right. I'm not saying you using a whip to get the horse up was bad at all ( cause it's very important for them not to lay down) but, for example: This guy was lunging a horseat the fairand there was a mounted shooting thing going on right there. When someone shot the gun, the horse started a little bit, nothing bad, but just was startled. And the guy took the whip and smacked the horse with it really hard in the chest. Why? What's the reason for that? Then, of course, there's other things that happen. Ok, sorry this is so long.......I guess I was ranting too.
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    So if they have colic and they lay down, they die?  And if they walk... it gets better?  If they have colic a vet is necessary?

    I went horesback riding about a month ago.  This first horse they gave me wouldnt do anything but eat grass... I was ssssssoooooooo worn out from fighting with this horse just to walk a tiny bit, so we went back and I asked for a different horse.  Told the guy I knew how to ride and didnt need a horse for kids.  He gave me his horse.  Said if it started acting up to give it a good punch in the head[&:]....  oooookay.  Oh, and said watch your nose.  [&:]

    While riding this horse was crazy.  He ran suddenly whenever he wanted, fought me with every turn we made, was stubborn as all hell, and kept bucking up to get me off...[:@]  I have to say it was way more fun and interesting than little miss piggy I had before that.  Anyway... after a while of running it stopped suddenly and threw its head back and whacked me right in the face.  Got a bloody nose.  It was like it was planned almost.  He had thrown his head back a few times really hard but I leaned back to move but a sudden stop after running throws your body forward....

    A while later the guy comes by on a horse ... I guess he was checking on everyone... and his horse took off running towards him with me on it... then when it got by him started bucking and running in circles and I finally got it to stop and the guy comes up on his horse and PUNCHED the horse in the top of the head!  He says... I told you to punch him if he started with that sh**!  I was in shock.... NO idiot, I will not punch the horse.  I felt like going off about why he was so badly behaved but figured it wasnt worth my time.  [8|]

    Next time we go it will be to a differnt area!  I did fine for the most part with the horse but I did have sugar cubes in my pocket... thank goodness.  By the end of the day he was much better towards me but still.... idiot.  Theres my rant.
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    Aren't there tie-downs to keep a horse from whacking you in the face with its head? I know the horse I ride has one.
    The stables I ride at have two horses that my teacher got from a bad situation. We thought one was pregnant, but it turns out she was just bloated because she was starving, and she probably had some parisites. I have a pic of her, but I am going to wait for my teacher to work her magic on her and then have before and after pictures. My teacher has already taken at least three other horses that were on death row or really bad and changed them into wonderful horses that 5-year olds can ride.  Every single time she takes in a horse that he owners apparently had no idea what they were doing I wonder how someone could have such an animal and not take care of it.
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    I'm no expert at colic or anything.....but I have read some stuff. This is how I understand it-- A horse wants to lay down and roll when it has colic, because they're trying to get their stomachache to go away. But, if they roll, they can twist their bowels, or make it worse. So you have to try and keep the horse walking, to prevent them from rolling. And yes, the vet should come out because it's serious. I'm a little rusty...because I'm not sure what the vet does exactly, but the point is kind of to get the horse to go to the bathroom, that pretty much means they'll be ok. I've never had to deal with it, fortunately.

    Loveukaykay-- that sounds so  frustrating. It must have been awful to deal with those horses, and the owner that would do that![>:]
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    Having had several horses go through colic surgery that I know, a few twice, I know it is horrible to watch. It doesn't sound like the horse had sand colic and was in danger of having a blocked bowel, but if she was walked around instead of being put in her stall there would be less of a chance of her stomach turning around and killing off the blood supply and the colic could have possibly (*possibly) passed. I don't understand, if the owner was not willing to call the vet why couldn't someone call an emergency number for the SPCA? Would the SPCA even deal with a negligent owner who let their horses wander off? I'm not sure, I've never had to deal with that.  I hope the horse is alright.

    Also, this goes for anyone: if a horse is down, please don't try a crop or longe whip to get the horse up.... major chance of getting kicked or spun at.