buster the show dog
Posted : 6/21/2007 1:39:36 PM
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Between Collie and Golden Retriever which one will be better with kids. I know Goldens are not best watch dogs but my first concern is kids relationship with the dog. I heard that Collies may nip the babies when they are puppy that's why I did a little more search. How serious is this nipping and does it break the skin? Does it make the babies uncomfortable? I am ready to train the puppy but when they are too young they may influence on the kids badly even before I train the puppy.
While I heard that Goldens have very soft mouth and don't bit kids and love to play with water. (Summer is coming and the kids and a puppy in the water will a great fun for all.) I will be dedicated to the training, mind stimulation and all the exercise sessions.
Well-bred goldens also make terrific family dogs. But, because they are so popular, there is a greater chance of running across poorly bred ones as well. With either breed, you need to investigate breeders carefully. With goldens it is absolutely essential that both parents have had hip x-rays certified as good or better by OFA. Accept no excuses. I wish more collie breeders would also check hips through OFA, but honestly, depsite lots of experience with collies I've never met one with bad hips. Goldens also tend to be more prone to cancer than collies, although of course that can show up in any breed.
As for the nipping thing... Yes collie puppies can sometimes be nippy. That's not because they are a herding breed. It's because they are puppies. Goldens can be nippy too, it's just that when a non-herding breed does it they call it mouthiness, and recognize that it is normal puppy behavior. For some reason people insist on attributing any use of the mouth by a herding breed as herding behavior instead. Erm. Sorry. I'll get off my soapbox now. It's just that I see nippy/mouthy puppies in my training classes all the time, and it drives me a little crazy that the border collie/aussie/sheltie/cattle dog/GSD owners all think that it is somehow special to their breed and don't seem to notice that the weim and the westie and the pomeranian and the beagle puppy are happily chewing on ankles too. Ok. Now I'm really off my soapbox. I promise. Golden adults do have a softer mouth than collies adults, but well-bred individuals of either breed shouldn't be nippy as adults anyway. As puppies, those little baby teeth are sharp regardless of the breed. For any breed, you'll have to teach the puppy that kongs and bones are good to chew on, people are not.
Goldens generally do love water, and collies generally hate it, although there are exceptions both ways. So, if you want a dog that will splash around with the kids a golden would be a better choice.
In my opinion, the big difference between a golden and a collie is that collies are more sensitive. Goldens tend to be happy-go-lucky big ol' lugs that just always see the world through rose (or gold) colored glasses. Collies, like most herding dogs, seem to pick up on moods more. Some people really like this "intuitiveness", but the down side is that it is easier to hurt a collie's feelings and make him more suspicious/cautious. If you over-react to something a collie did, he is more likely to take it personally. You can scold a golden and three seconds later he's back wagging his tail dropping a tennis ball at your feet because he just can't believe you would really be mad at him. That's not to say that goldens can take a lot of harsh treatment, but they just are the eternal optimists of the world. Collies tend to worry more. Again, neither temperament is good or bad, it just depends on your personal preference.