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English Pointers?

Posted : 1/11/2007 2:35:11 AM

Just wondering how rare solid orange pointers are ? Can you expect to pay more for one than a different coloured pointer? What are people's experiences with pointers?

Pwca

Posted : 1/11/2007 1:14:22 PM

No idea how rare they are, but no dog is more valuable based on color alone, and I wouldn't expect to pay more for it based on that. I think that's especially true in a breed like pointers where the mroe common color pattern is mostly white, so you'd have to selectively breed for color above almost everything else in order to GET a solid orange pointer (or solid black, liver, lemon, anything) which would not be good for hunting ability or health- which are WAY more important than just color.

Pointers are graet dogs!

sue fitzpatrick FITZPATRICK

Posted : 1/11/2007 3:57:52 PM

Not sure that a solid color would be allowed in any sort of AKC competition, because even if only speckled a bit, the other coloration is required with the white, if I am remembering my breed standard correctly. I would question if solid orange/liver color dogs are actually true pointers or some other cross. I would be quite careful

erl

Posted : 1/11/2007 4:50:33 PM

From the AKC breed standard:
"Color
Liver, lemon, black, orange; either in combination with white or solid-colored. A good Pointer cannot be a bad color. In the darker colors, the nose should be black or brown; in the lighter shades it may be lighter or flesh-colored."

But as Pwca said, you shouldn't expect to pay more for a certain color, since a breeder should be breeding for ability or conformation. But I figure a solid orange would be pretty rare, if anyone finds a picture of one, mind posting?

EricFish

Posted : 1/11/2007 5:09:42 PM

Here is a picture of the dog in question. Apparently he is from Irish lines.
Any thoughts?

{Removed. But happy to show privately if you PM me.}

Pwca

Posted : 1/11/2007 9:55:30 PM

Cute enough (all pointer puppies are cute!). Looks like he may knuckle over a bit (could be the weird angle) and he's got really upright pasterns. I'd probably pass, but if the breeder's reputable and you're just looking for a pet, go for it!

Valerie Wilson

Posted : 1/12/2007 12:14:26 AM

I agree seems to have too bulking a form for an english pointer. But it could be the pic and that is it is a pup.

spiritdogs

Posted : 1/12/2007 8:06:39 AM

And, just a reminder (for the lurkers who may not have experience with this breed) that no matter what color he is, if he's a Pointer, you will need a whole lot of patience and energy to deal with his energy LOL! Some of them are real energizer bunnies!

EricFish

Posted : 1/13/2007 4:14:03 PM

Just on the subject of energy, I have an 18 month year old Vizsla girl who is also very energetic. Am I asking for trouble getting a 3 month old male Pointer bred for work? Are they going to drive each other and myself crazy? I work at home and have a small yard but take my Vizsla for a walk up a mountain every day.

Pwca

Posted : 1/13/2007 5:32:15 PM

Probably.

One of my trail-riding buddies as a kid was one of my granddad's pointers. He'd run ahead, come back, then range out ahead again- he probably covered two or three times the distance we did on horseback. This dog went along pretty much on all of our trailrides, including some that were well over 15 miles. (I think the longest we ever did was 28 miles?) and he was still active and peppy at the end of the day. (Slept well that night, though- and was ready to go again in the morning!)

EricFish

Posted : 1/14/2007 1:59:30 AM

By the way, the pointer was bred from working lines - which is probably why it doesnt look perfect. As I understand it , it also means he will be even more energetic.

diane303

Posted : 1/16/2007 10:17:55 PM

Most workng line breeders prefer predominantly white dogs so they are easy to see in the field. They are long range hunting dogs and can run for a range of up to 3 miles. You want to see them in the the field. Also, even working dogs should have good, solid and functional conformation. The bench pointers are very similar to the field lines. They are usually a big larger and, maybe, not quite so drivey.

I have a pointer from working lines. She has stellar conformation. I'm always complimented on her structure. She is smaller, though - only 45 lbs.

I know that the standards say "solid colors are OK and there are no bad colors, but the hunters out there prefer as much white as possible.

diane303

Posted : 1/18/2007 1:38:37 PM

Eric,

Here is a kennel that produces solid colored pointers with some good information for you.

http://www.solivia.com/currenthighlights.html

EricFish

Posted : 1/18/2007 4:06:04 PM

That's really great information. Thanks Diane.

diane303

Posted : 1/18/2007 4:44:10 PM

Whatever color Pointer you purchase, they have a wonderful, gentle temperment. The only problem that I've had with Grace is that once she gets zoned in on a bird or rabbit, it's hard to get her attention. I use an e-collar when we are in the field or on the beach to "page" her if she doesn't hear my recall. My English setter is sillier and more sensative, temperment wise, but even in the field, she has a super recall.

Enjoy!