Reward: Millan (Dead or Alive)

Umm that isn''t my view.... I meant to put a "?" after it.  Sorry. should have been clearer.

Ixas_girl

Why would Millan's "bounty hunters" be willing to show themselves as intolerant, stingy and mean, ruining their own reputations in this pursuit? What makes it worth violating one's integrity?

Who has done this?  Are we talking about professionals ir folks on this forum or both?  If the former, can you name names so I can "get" where you're coming from?

FourIsCompany

I have been googling for a bounty on Cesar's head! LOL

LOL so have I, and most likely others have! Should be funny if the most googled thing today is "bounty on Cesar's head". Hopefully we do not set off a panic!!

cat0

Ah, but that's not really your name.

Good point, thanks. I could have put "Reward: The Dog Whisperer (Dead or Alive)" But, then, people hunt him down using his real name, not the name of his TV show.

cat0 - I hope you'll feel welcome on any and every thread in this forum!

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FOUR! Awesome post! Thanks!

Chuffy

Ixas_girl

Why would Millan's "bounty hunters" be willing to show themselves as intolerant, stingy and mean, ruining their own reputations in this pursuit? What makes it worth violating one's integrity?

Who has done this?  Are we talking about professionals ir folks on this forum or both?  If the former, can you name names so I can "get" where you're coming from?

 Although I would not classify them as "bounty hunters"  some well known trainers have spoken out publicaly against him, Jean Donaldson and Paul Owen comes to mind as the most vocal ones. The American Humane Society have also spoken out agaisnt him, which is wierd when you see the work he also does with rescue dogs.

Chuffy

Are we talking about professionals ir folks on this forum or both?

Ixas_girl

In the media, in blogs and in forums, it's repeated.

Google Millan. Our archive used to show up plenty, too. Those are dead links now, since the changeover. 

dgriego

The American Humane Society have also spoken out agaisnt him, which is wierd when you see the work he also does with rescue dogs.

Yeah, the American Humane Society, which is not the same as HSUS, the Humane Society of the United States. 

FourIsCompany

Anyway, I think the reason people hate him is fairly simple. And it's just my opinion. They disagree with him.They think he's wrong. They think he hurts dogs. Additionally, he's got a forum to speak to and influence many millions of people. That threatens them and their way of thinking.

I don't think the "hate" is as widespread as is being made out.  Disagree certainly.  And where people truly believe he hurts dogs, disagree vehemently.  I see people misusing the gentle leader or check chains and i disagree very vehemently with what they are doing, but  it doesn't mean I hate that person.  Whether what CM does is right or wrong or acceptable or not.... if someone really thinks he hurts dogs, I cannot blame them for disagreeing vehemently.

FourIsCompany

It's almost like the movies Dogma, The Last Temptation of Christ or The Da Vinci Code (all of which I loved). Many religious people hated those and other movies that threaten their way of thinking about something that's dear to their heart (their religion).

I think you make an excellent point here.  Somehow, we can discuss ANYTHING else and if we disagree; so what?  But religion.... My neighbour's religion might tell me I should not touch any fourlegged animal on the second wednesday of any month with an N in it.  I may think that's irrational, but woe betide me if I say so!  And the same goes for dog training it seems.....

dgriego

Ixas_girl

In fact, I've often thought it would be interesting if Millan could be convinced to join this forum. The tone of many posts would have to change radically to meet the rules of proper conduct towards fellow posters.

 That would be great would it not?

 Come on Cesar! We know you are out there, you must read these topics!! Chime in please (hugs)

I think you are all blind because he is already here.  He kees posting video links to plug his show!!!

Chuffy

I may think that's irrational, but woe betide me if I say so!  And the same goes for dog training it seems.....

For many, dog training is like a religion. An art, a science and religion all wrapped into one!

And I'd like to reiterate that people's individual personalities come into this a LOT. I have VERY strong views abut certain things, but I can be best friends with people who feel exactly the opposite and just as strongly. Many people simply can not find whatever it takes to accept and befriend a person who doesn't share their views on religion, abortion, gay rights, politics or dog training! LOL It's just the differences in people. We don't have to understand it.

Chuffy

I think you are all blind because he is already here.  He kees posting video links to plug his show!!!

Chuffy

I think you make an excellent point here.  Somehow, we can discuss ANYTHING else and if we disagree; so what?  But religion.... My neighbour's religion might tell me I should not touch any fourlegged animal on the second wednesday of any month with an N in it.  I may think that's irrational, but woe betide me if I say so!  And the same goes for dog training it seems.....

 She does make an excellant point but to me this should not be the case with dog training. We should all be quick to stand up and speak against abuse (kicking, beating, neglect etc) but we should also be able to discuss methods without ending up in a knock down drag out war. I do believe that in most cases we are successful in achieving this but on occasion we seem to regress into bickering. If the goal is to better our lives with our dogs, and to better the lives of dogs in general then we should be able to find more common ground. I still hold out that none of us are really "that" different and yet we bicker back and forth and in most cases it is always Cesar or some word associated with him that starts it off.

Chuffy

he is already here.  He kees posting video links to plug his show!!!

lol Chuffy!

dgriego

sillysally

Actually, I think that many of CM's followers hurt him a LOT.  My attitude towards CM is just like my attitude towards any other trainer.  If something rings true I'll give it a shot and if it works, great, if it doesn't, I'll try something else.  The hardest thing for me to get past was the attitude of many of his hardcore supporters.  Once I got past that there is a lot about what he does that makes sense.  Do I disagree with him on some things?  Sure (I think that's the case with nearly every dog trainer I've some across though).  But again, there are many things that I think he is spot on about.

 

 For instance many speak out about any use of any collar other than a flat collar and firmly believe that anything other than a flat collar is cruel. Yet I have witnessed people yanking their dogs completely off their feet with a flat collar in a manner that must cause discomfort to the dog, yet I am viewed often as cruel or cave mannish because I have and do use a prong. The fact that I use it rarely, the fact that I would never yank my dog in such a manner regardless of the collar he is wearing is overlooked. They cannot get past the fact that my dog on occasion is wearing and evil and cruel torture device.

  It is never the tool that is the problem, it is always the method and manner in which the tool is used. All tools have their purpose and place in the toolbox and all should be used with care and only when the circumstances require the tool. Physical touch is another point. Mention using it as in assisting a dog off a bed or a couch and many cry foul! You are using force and force is bad, overlooking the fact that I have perhaps assisted my dogs on very rare occasions and now getting them to leave the couch or bed only requires a word and perhaps a finger pointing in the direction I wish them to exit.

If you do a forum search for "Gentle Leader" you will see CM fans blasting GLs too........Again this is a two way street. 

Chuffy

I think you are all blind because he is already here.  He kees posting video links to plug his show!!!

 espencer is Cesar Millan!!!

 LOL

sillysally

If you do a forum search for "Gentle Leader" you will see CM fans blasting GLs too

People across the training spectrum criticise that device, including Suzanne Clothier, who all "camps" claim to some degree.

But that's getting off topic, sorry.

FourIsCompany

sillysally

Basically, it's a thread meant to slam the people who are slamming a trainer that some other people like--riiiiiiighttt.....

I disagree. I think this thread was started to try to understand someone with a different mindset than the OP. I think it's a good thing. It's important that we understand each other and go forward from there instead of repeating the same crap over and over. In my opinion, of course.

I respectfully disagree.  The issue of why people do not like CM as been beaten to death over and over and over and over again.  The very people who criticize CM have stated why they don't like him (repeatly, over and over again).  It's hardly a mystery.  Heck, I think Sally knows why many people do not like CM's methods.......the OP should have just asked her......