New puppy..need some advice!!

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    New puppy..need some advice!!

    I was wondering if anyone can give advice. I have a 7 week old collie/lab cross that I am trying to for one potty train and two train to stop the nipping/bitting of fingers, toes, heels and pant legs. I find if I try to say "no bite" he thinks I am playing and just tries harder to do it. I have tried putting a bit of lemon juice on my fingers and it works for a bit then he continues. Because of his cross he is extremely hyper and active and I find when he is in his "Super Hyper" mode nothing I do seems to work. If  I stop him (by holding his mouth firmly closed for a few seconds) he growls at me. As far as potty training I really just need to know what I can do so he can tell me (or show me) he needs to go, I try my best to take him out after he wakes up from a nap, after playing and if none mentioned above then every 2 hours. I praise him when he goes outside and if i catch him peeing inside then I tell him "bad boy" very firmly. I am glad to say I don't have a problem with the Crate, he goes in by himself at times other times i have to place him in it, but he is very good once he is in. Any advice is greatly appreciated.

    • Gold Top Dog
    when your puppy bites are your feet/heels when you are moving, that can be attributed to his "prey drive" which is probably from his collie roots. whenever he starts nipping, say "ouch" in a loud, yelp-ish voice and walk away -- or you can substitute the finger he's biting for one of his chew toys.
     
    you're doing the right thing by bringing him out every so often for housetraining. puppies usually go after they eat/play/exercise, first thing in the morning and last thing at night. when my dog has to go, she usually begins whining and sniffing in a circle. look for similar signs in your puppy. when he begins doing his business, utter a command like "hurry up" then praise him right after to teach him to go on command. good luck!
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    Thanks so much for your reply. I already do all mentioned, when I yelp he follows me, and if I go to another room he cries. I don't give in and wait about 5 mins or until he stops crying before i come back but it starts all over again once I am back. I have lots of chew toys for him and try to occupy him with his toys when he is trying to bite my feet, he goes to the toy but as soon as I move away he starts again. I know he is only a baby, but I want to break him out of this as I have young children in the family that he may hurt (his nipping is quite hurtful). My Vet says that most puppies are not good at being trained until they are about 3 months old, I think if i continue with the routine he may just get it earlier. He is already learning to sit on command (he's very smart!!)... any other suggestions?
    • Gold Top Dog
    Well, to start, this pup is too young to be away from his momma and littermates.  In many states it is against the law to sell or otherwise transfer ownership of a pup under the age of 8 weeks.  They learn important lessons from momma and their siblings between 6-10 weeks.
     
    Puppies play with their teeth.  They mouth everything.  That's normal.  BUT, had he stayed with his litter mates his bite inhibition would have been better developed.  He would have learned that when he bites too hard, his playmate goes away.  You just need to be firm and consistent.  Correct (say no bite) redirect (by giving him something that he can chew on) and praise him for chewing on IT instead of you.  when I have a litter, I wear a fanny pack IN the house, loaded with chew toys, and bulging pockets so I can always redirect.  One of my last pups made a game of mouthing....and I let him because it was just that....mouthing, no teeth involved, and that was HIS way of interacting with me....sort of our special play time.  But I knew that he wasn't going to another home and WE could deal with the mouthiness.
     
    Generally, when I'm fostering a litter I'm very consistent about the no bite rule.  But, they are pups and they are gonna do it.  When I have a litter I always wear shoes....and I'd rather be barefoot any day of the year....and I am VERY consistent about play nipping NOT being ok.  Those little teeth feel like honed razors!
     
    As for housetraining, you can certainly start now, but by golly when he needs to go he needs to go.  Every two hours isn't enough to take him outside.  It has to be EVERY hour.  And if you tell him "bad dog" when he makes a mistake....and understand that it's YOUR mistake, not his...he doesn't KNOW better until he's been taught, and that isn't gonna happen at this age....all you are doing is telling him, hmmmm, when she sees me pee or poop she scolds me....therefore I'd better not do it where she can SEE me.  This is bad for a couple reasons......first, you're likely to turn him into a dog who "hides" his potty, and I promise you it's NO FUN to step in it barefoot, and second, when you NEED him to just do it, he's not likely to.
     
    When Thor was a pup, he was housetrained the same way I'd always housetrained with lots of outside chances, but I didn't go with him and make a big deal of it.  So, when we started traveling with the dogs, getting them to "go" in a rest area was next to impossible.  Thor once held it for 18 hours on a trip home.  He had no problem pottying at the camp ground, but flat out would NOT potty in a rest area.
     
    When I have a litter, I use a combination of a giant crate with no door and an ex pen.  They generally sleep in the crate and have a potty area in the FAR end of the pen.  Pups naturally want to keep their sleeping area clean, but gosh, they can't hold it forever, so I offer them a PLACE just for potty.  When they are out of the crate they are always in my view.  And I use a specific phrase.....lets go outside and go potty.  When we GET outside, I tell them to go potty and when they do it, they get praised like crazy.  At first, NO they don't know what the words mean, but they 'get it' very quickly.  When someone starts to squat I tell them "unh uh, not there, lets go OUTSIDE TO GO potty" and scoop them up with a TOWEL to keep me dry and get them outside then remind them "OUTSIDE is where we got potty".   I don't scold, I don't tell them they are bad, I simply take them to the place that I want them to go.
     
    Now I'm pretty lucky...anytime I have a litter I KNOW when someone needs to go because I'm the MOMMA and they pretty much want to be as CLOSE to me as possible allllll the time.  So if someone gets up and moves away from me, it's a pretty good bet that they've gotta go.  And I get up too.  Often I feel like a jack in the box, but by golly, by the time pups leave my home, never before 10 weeks, they have a good start on their training.  But, this is why we say if you can't watch the pup and devote 100% attention to him, either crate him, ex pen him or leash him to you so that you will KNOW when he starts moving around.
     
    I had a pup who was just perfect with everything.  He left, went to a new home and I kept getting emails that she just flat could NOT potty train him.  Hmmmmm...he LEFT here at almost 4 months very solidly trained.  She had a ton of other issues with the pup and he came back to us.  ONE accident in my house since he came home in January.  ONE.  And ALL I said to him was, "unh uh.  Did you forget that we go OUTSIDE to go potty?"  And by golly HE is the one of all six dogs who will absolutely drive you nuts with not waiting a minute...when he needs to go OUTSIDE, he wants to go now and he's not about to be kept waiting!
     
    There is a reason that pups are so danged cute.  That's so we don't get frustrated with them during a VERY frustrating time.  But everything you've described is absolutely normal behavior and it just takes TIME and patience and consistency to get through it.
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    Thanks so much for the advice. I had no idea that he is too young to be taken away from the mom, you see, this is my first puppy EVER and I just waited until the owner said he was ready to go. Sounds like he needs me more than ever. Thanks once again, patience and consistency sounds like the key words. i will now take him outside every hour until he is able to go for longer. BTW, do you how old the puppy is when he can have better bladder control? any sign I should look for? Thanks again.
    • Gold Top Dog
    I always laugh at this question because when people ask me if my almost 5-month old Aussie is potty trained I say "No, I am."  She hasn't had an accident in the house in nearly 9 weeks, mind you, but I won't consider her potty training complete until I can be absolutely sure she won't go when I'm not looking.  I have been able to cut her back to about every two hours or so but I still take her on a consistent basis because I know that each mistake is a setback.  She rings a bell we hung on the doorknob to let me know when it's time to go out, too, if it's in between potty breaks.  In her crate, the longest she's ever been left is about 4 hours, no accidents.  They say that they should be able to hold it 1 hour for every month of age plus 1, so theoretically, Ruby should be able to hold it for about 6 hours but I'm not ready to test that out yet (I would miss her too much anyway!).  But I can't see how that could apply to a little pup; their bladders are so tiny, so I didn't really apply that theory until she was about 3 months old. Sorry to ramble, just trying to be helpful. Christi
    • Gold Top Dog
    Ain't that the truth, Chrisi!!  [:D]
     
    I don't seem to EVER have just one pup so for me to say that yeah, by 10 weeks they are getting pretty consistent is very misleading.  They copy littermates AND my older dogs.  The last time I had ONE pup, I'm gonna say by 12 weeks he was pretty consistent, by 16, pretty darned trustworthy and by 24 weeks, RARELY made a mistake.
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    once again, thanks for all your advice!! I will update you guys on the progress!
    • Gold Top Dog
    Good luck!  Again, just be patient and understanding and try not to get frustrated when he doesnt listen... he doesnt know anything until YOU teach him, hes only a little baby.  Hes too cute!  He is to young so just be a good mommy!!  And I hope you stick around here there is a lot of great advice!!  Welcome!
    • Gold Top Dog
    OT here, but speaking of having just one pup, Glenda, our new little guy comes home next week!  We're so excited!
    • Gold Top Dog
    How exciting...we need pictures ya know.....
    • Puppy
    I noticed that you said your puppy was a collie/lab mix and that he is nipping and biting when you walk.  What I am seeing is the herding instinct that usually comes with collies and similar breeds.  I have 4 border collies and a germanshepard/ and god knows what else mix in him.  I would suggest investing in a small bottle of bitter apple and spray some on your pants or shoes.  Dogs hate the smell and back off once they encounter it.  And each time he nips or bits when using bitter apple, tell him no.  As with my collies I use the word "follow" and each of them follow behind me in a row.  I used bitter apple on all my 4 adultcollies for a few days and that did the trick.
     
    As for potty training, you will get a lot of techniques off this forum and they are all good!
     
    Patrick
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    Thanks Patrick! I really appreciate the advice. I will go to the store tomorrow and look for the bitter apple spray, I get worried as he tends to do this a lot and believe it or not I worry that I will by mistake step on him while walking because he tends to go in between my feet when he does this. I know it is definately the Collie in him that makes him go for my feet!. I also took advice from here and started wearing shoes all the time (yeah, he doesn't like it!)... also I took advice about the potty training and now have him on the every hour schedule and I didn't have an accident today! YIPPY!!... now if I could only get him to like the car rides (he cries the entire car ride!)... Thanks to everyone for all your help!!
    • Gold Top Dog
    Every puppy BORN will go for the feet.  No matter the breed.  Honest!  They are the closest thing to the pups level!
     
    Bitter apple works for some, but SOME dogs like it.  Vicks is pretty effective and I havent' found a dog yet that likes THAT stuff!
    • Gold Top Dog
    I didn't use Bitter Apple for the nipping that Ruby did early on (No bite! worked great) but did use it on the leash that she would try to chew on while wearing it around the house.  She definitely didn't like the taste but it must wear off quickly because it didn't really deterr (sp?) her at all.  I gave up on it and worked on "leave it" and that worked much better.  Someone at puppy class said that Fooey works much better...