At my wits end...WHEN WILL IT STOP? HELP!

    • Gold Top Dog

    At my wits end...WHEN WILL IT STOP? HELP!

    Hi everyone, as you regulars know....Bella has just refused to house "break"  We have had since the age of 9 weeks, andin the beginning we made the mistake of too much freedom, and hadnt cleaned the prior puppy accidents from Charlie with the right type of cleaner.  So we have moved into a new place...brand new flooring...so no residual urine smells or anything. So...we have been here for over a month now, she has had NO access to the carpet without being closely supervised, and the only unsupervised time she gets is when gated in the entry way. Otherwise she is in the crate.
     
    So, she has peed in the entry way several times now, and tonight she managed to get the bedroom (off the entry way) door open....probably our fault as it must not have been pulled to all the way. So I realize they are being very quiet and I go in and sure enough pee and poop in there.
     
    What can I do? I mean, after all this time shouldnt she be getting it by now? I thought we were doing it right, in the crate, unless supervised, and then giving her a little time in the entry way unsupervised so that she can try it out, and we can not worry about the carpet...
     
    UGH. I am so frustrated. She gets taken out first thing in the a.m. again after eating and again before we go to work...so like 3 times between 6 am and 8 am. Then when I get home from work, I take them out, feed them, and then take them to the park for a nice long walk. A little bit of water after the park and then no more food/water until morning. She then goes out 2 more times before bed. So what am I doing wrong here? WHY WONT SHE GET IT?
     
    I love to her to bits but this is to the point of ridiculous. I am just at my wits end and dont know what else to do to help her learn this. ANY IDEAS???? HELP!
    • Gold Top Dog
    Put a leash on her, so she can't wander off when she's loose. If you don't want to constantly hold a leash, loop it through a belt you're wearing or something. I tethered my corgi pup for like the first 5 months he was here.

    If your puppy is unable to wander off, she'll be unable to have unsupervised potty accidents, and then you can properly correct the behavior, because you will be there. >^_^<
    • Gold Top Dog
    There are some really good books out about this. One thing--no potty/no poop, no freedom. Period.
     
    It worked with my dog and she had only one accident, and that was WAY after the potty-training ended. (It was because I couldn't get away from a conference call at work on time and she had to go so bad so she went into the bathroom and peed on the thickest rug she could find.)
     
    Until they go, they don't leave the crate. After they go, obviously, they have some freedom because you know, of course, they've gone. They have to go enough, though.
     
    We still do that thing around here--scheduled potty breaks. Now my girl goes and comes right in, if her "potty breaks" are on the "schedule" we set up nearly 3 years ago. If they're not, then she knows, somehow, that she has freedom to run through the backyard and do her own thing since she already pottied.
     
    Seems to me that you just have to tighten things up some more and it'll work out!
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    We go out at the same times every day....she doesnt get to run around or be in the gated area until after she has gone, but somehow inevitably she manages to have to go again after a while! Its just so frustrating...she makes NO attempt to let us know. And I tried tethering her to me, that didnt work as she and the other dog love to chase and wrestle so you can imagine that ended up with me tripping over them every five seconds. Charlie learned so easily, I just dont get why she wont learn this.
     
     
    • Gold Top Dog
    I just dont get why she wont learn this.

    You haven't trained her yet, she doesn't know what you want her to do. I've written it out pretty simply it's on my website take a peek at it, maybe it will help you. I wouldn't restrict water from her though.
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    and if you go under training.
    The more stressed you get about this the more stressed she will get so breath... I know how upsetting it is, but you need another mind set, now why  isn't she getting it? what do I need to do to communicate better w/ her?
    • Gold Top Dog
    I think you're making a mistake in letting her have un-supervised time in your entry way. If you must leave her in there unsupervised, put a potty pad down in one corner so she doesn't practice the bad habit of just peeing anywhere anytime.
     
    If a puppy has an accident it's always the owners fault. I think your biggest mistake is in not staying out long enough on your potty trips. Try actually walking the puppy for 15 to 20 minutes morning, noon, and night. I bet she will potty repeatedly and then not have any accidents.  
    • Gold Top Dog

    ORIGINAL: butterfly7311

    And I tried tethering her to me, that didnt work as she and the other dog love to chase and wrestle so you can imagine that ended up with me tripping over them every five seconds.




    Mine wanted to play with my other dog too, but it didn't stop me. >O.o< They just learned to play a little more gentle when he was on the leash. It's better than cleaning up pee every hour lol...

    I also agree with the unsupervised time in the entry way being a problem. If I would've left Shippo unsupervised and loose in the house at that age, I know what would've happened. My carpet would've been colored yellow in no time lol!
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    Guys, i dont think its a matter of how long we are out...the issue is NOT that she wont go outside, because she goes EVERY time we go out. And knows what go potty means....she goes when she is told to go....and I always give her time to poo. She pees each time immediately upon exiting the house and getting to her spot. Poo takes longer, but we wait until she goes. Occassionally she wont poo. But she always pees. So why is it that she has to go SO often and pees in the house, even though she goes outside multiple times when we are home? I dont get it
     
    • Gold Top Dog
    Have you ruled out a UTI? 
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    The vet has stated all along that if she can hold it in her crate all night, or all day, that she doesnt have a UTI...and there has never been a sign of anything that you could see either.
    • Gold Top Dog
    Butterfly,
    Crate training was the answer to our prayers. Rudy was leaving piddle puddles all over the place. And he'd pee within 30 seconds of coming inside after peeing outside!!![:@]

    So we NEVER left him unsupervised. If we weren't giving him 100% of our attention, he was crated. He learned very quickly that we weren't even going to talk to him in his crate, let alone let him out, if he whimpered. And he now voluntarily jumps in when we say, "Bed!" and he lays down.

    Upon leaving the crate, he would be taken straight outside, ringing the bell on our way and saying "Potty OUTSIDE!" As soon as he did potty outside, he got a "cookie" (milkbone biscuit) and we praised him for doing "POTTY OUTSIDE!"

    Within 5-10 minutes of eating/drinking, back out we'd go, with the same routine as above. ALWAYS ringing the bell, ALWAYS saying "potty outside", ALWAYS giving a reward for potty outside.

    Now he rings the bell to go outside and go potty - - yippee! He hasn't had an accident in weeks.

    You have to be vigilant and consistent. It will happen. I really think that your little girl has NO CLUE what you want from her.
    • Gold Top Dog
    We use a crate also, and she knows "in your bed" and is fine when in there! We use the same commmands every time and take her out consistently at the same times and MANY times ...especially after eating/ playing/etc. Yet somehow....
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    How old?  I just spent my lunch hour carpet cleaning with a steamer the whole upstairs from pee stains.   Mine is 6 months,  after the first accidients during the hurricane, it was downhill.  SO i started making her drag her leash,, her only freedom is on my bed, not off.   Sometimes, after she pees outside I let her play in the living room with me right there,,,but I learned the hard way,,,she has to pee after playing hard.  The leash seems to be working,,,I take hold of it and lead her to the door and ring the bell and say "Outside" and take her to her spot.
      I'm not sure when to trust her,,,maybe 12 months?
    • Gold Top Dog
    I still agree with those who have told you to tether the dog to you, and not allow her any freedom in the house.  You need to build the habit that potty is only done outdoors.  Be sure to clean the accident areas with something like Petastic, so there's no residual odor to attract her to pee there again.  If she's tethered, then those times when she might have scooted into another room to pee in the house, you are right there to say "uh-uh" and "outside?"  If she potties outside, then praise and give her a Cheerio or a small treat once she's done.
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    ORIGINAL: Hollysmom

    How old?  I just spent my lunch hour carpet cleaning with a steamer the whole upstairs from pee stains.   Mine is 6 months,  after the first accidients during the hurricane, it was downhill.  SO i started making her drag her leash,, her only freedom is on my bed, not off.   Sometimes, after she pees outside I let her play in the living room with me right there,,,but I learned the hard way,,,she has to pee after playing hard.  The leash seems to be working,,,I take hold of it and lead her to the door and ring the bell and say "Outside" and take her to her spot.
    I'm not sure when to trust her,,,maybe 12 months?


    The books say that at 6 months your dog should have the bladder capacity to hold it long enough to not have regular accidents.  They generally specify that 6-8 months is the age when you can expect to be 100% confident in your dogs house training abilities.  I had a border collie who was just a brilliant dog in every respect, but when it came to house training she was a really slow learner and had accidents for what seemed like far too long (she was adopted from the spca so i only started her training at 3 or 4 months old, leaving her a bit behind.)  Anyways if you stick with your training i think youll find in a month or two this will all be behind you.

    As for butterfly, my saint bernard pup was doing great with his house training at 9 weeks old, he was even letting me know when he had to go out on occasion, then he got a strange and sudden problem where he had to pee literally every 5 minutes.  The vet said it didnt seem like a UTI but could possibly have been an intestinal problem that the dog was misinterpreting as the need to pee.  Anyways we put him on some anti-viral pills for 10 days (two types, one to clear up anything in the UT, one for the intestinal tract) and finally after another 7 days of absolutely constant accidents he finally broke through it and began feeling better and was back to normal (i know how you feel, i was frustrated and ready to give up, i was worried that he was becoming incontinent.)  Anyways once he got better he had to be basically retrained from ground zero and after 6 or 7 days of that we're right back on track and hes doing great.  His only accidents are times when right afterwards its "damn i knew he was trying to tell me something, shoulda listenend to him when he barked at me."  You just have to stick with it, and whatever you do, try as hard as you can not to take it out on the dog.  if you catch him mid-accident try and get him to stop without touching him, but don't punish him for accidents that he isnt in the process of having, he can't make that connection.  Training is possible in spite of this, but it does not help in any way.