backpack

    • Gold Top Dog
    Here's some notes from a talk at our local REI about packing with dogs, and a few observations from almost 3 years now of packing. :)

    Notes for fitting backpacks

    A properly fitted backpack should be no longer than the dog's rib cage (no weight on the spine where it's not protected by ribs) and long-backed, short-loined dogs (like properly build corgis) should have one that's even a bit shorter than that. Dogs with poor conformation (particularly poor toplines/shoulders) should carry less than the 20% general weight. always acclimate & use common sense- never start a new dog at full weight, etc. Straps should be fitted but not tight- fingers underneath, just like people-packs. no bunching or twisting. saddlebags should not interfere with dog's shoulder. most people tend to fit too big- smaller always better if it carries what you need. puppies can begin carrying empty pack 5-6 mos, keep weight off until grown. talk to vet, trainer, mentor- depends on breed & growth rate.

    Keep in mind terrain- lots of up and down, decrease weight. especially if your dog has a very straight front (poor shock absorption.) Remember water is heavy and shifts, especially in bladders that aren't full. 1 Q of water weighs almost 3 pounds. For training/exercise, rice is better, or ice blocks, especially in hot weather- wrap in something for thin-coated dogs like pointers. watch out for bag fit on downhill, most packs don't use any system to keep them from sliding forward. (That's what the loop on top is for in most cases.) 

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    There's a LOT of good gear reviews on the various outdoorsy-sites. Uberpest.com has some great info about backpacking with her catahoulas. I *loathe* the outward hound packs- I think they're overpriced, under-designed pieces of junk that don't fit ANY dog properly. They're too wide in the top (and the drawstring system tends to slip), they hang VERY low unless your dog is built like a beer keg, and they're all much longer than they really ought to be. Ruffwear makes GREAT packs but they're overkill for dayhiking. I have four packs at this point- a Kelti Chuckwagon that doesn't fit any of my current guys, a no-name cheapie pack from Petco ($10, modified to let the straps out) that I use for Indy (corgi- needed a toy-size pack that was shallow, not too long- with long backed dogs, balance weight on shoulders, but with straps for a deep chest and large neck), a Weneha jogger (Wings' pack- we used it for her everyday SD stuff, but it's the PERFECT size for dayhiking- fits about 2 quarts of water, a snack, and all the poop bags and a first aid kit with a decent amount of room to spare.), and a wolf packs saddlebag, which is okay, but not great- it's not very adjustable, and I don't like the way it hangs. My local REI is getting in some of the Ruffwear packs in the next week or two and we'll try those out. One thing I've noticed is that the weight ratings on some of these packs is bizaare- they seem to assume that a 40 pound dog is really much heavier. Wings was 48 pounds when she passed away at 20 months and wore an EXTRA SMALL pack that was supposedly rated for a 20 pound dog. That 20 pound dog would have had the world's largest girth for a small dog, then, because I actually cut down the strap so that it would not dangle so much after being taken up. The '20 pound dog' pack fits Mal if it's let all the way out.

    Um... other stuff.. if your dog calms down well with a pack, check out some of the 'anxiety wrap' products- you may get a similar effect with those. And if you're only going to use it for exercising in, there's really no need to go nuts- the "Outdoor Products" cheapies (and the Petco ones- whcih I've just been reminded are by Dickens Closet) with the mesh back conforms to most dogs a little better than the outward hound ones and are in the same price range. Better yet, if you've got a local REI, (check REI.com for locations), go try them on in person, and get some advice from their employees. REI is a co-op, IIRC, and while yours may not have it, ours has a local dog hiking group.

    Cait & the monsters
    • Gold Top Dog
    I got one of the Dickens Closet ones from PetCo and I definately got what I paid for there. It quite literally fell apart before we even got out of the car to go on our first hike with it. I took it back and just got a refund, not an exchage. It was a serious piece of crap. I also have the same opinion as above about Outward Hound. They make some great dog products, but their backpacks are not amongst them in my estimation. Really poorly designed and way over complicated.

    If you live in a city though I really can not recommend the Saddlebag enough. Marlowe helps me take books back to the library, carry groceries, carry mail to the post office, and he can carry all the poop bags and my wallet and cell phone. I love it when we're out together and my dog starts ringing! And of course if you have a friendly dog, a dog wearing a backpack is (for some reason that I can't fathom because they are so useful for so many things) a fairly rare sight and people like to stop and talk about it. I usually describe the backpack as "the doggy diaper bag". Why should I have to carry all their crap for them when they can carry it themselves?

    Wolfpacks also makes patches that you can sew on to your packs. For those with friendly dogs they have one that says "pet me, I'm friendly" and for those with not so friendly dogs, you might want to get one that says "I'm working, please do not pet me". I know it's a little bit of a fib, but I'm not aware of anyone that makes, "I don't like kids, you move wierd and smell funny, please move aside"!
    • Gold Top Dog
    Thanks for posting about those patches!  I'm going to get "Ask to pet me, I'm friendly" because Chop is friendly, but I like people to ask first.  I mean, if you have an infant, strangers don't just come up to you and start grabbing at your baby.
    • Gold Top Dog
    I mean, if you have an infant, strangers don't just come up to you and start grabbing at your baby.


    I know a few new moms who I think would like to beg to differ on that one! Pregnant ladies too--apparently it's totally acceptable to touch a complete stranger's tummy if they're visible pregnant. [:@]
    • Gold Top Dog
    Wierd!

    Well I don't mind people touching my animals as long as they ask first (my body...um, no).  Mainly because by stopping to ask, the animal has enough time to sense they are there and quick check them out, rather than a stranger running up behind us and grabbing at the animal with no warning.

    • Gold Top Dog
    Totally OT I know...but man...chmissgingerisfancy...I am in serious envy of that huge fenced in yard. 

    I would no doubt have it full of strays.
    • Gold Top Dog
    Pwca,

    Thanks for all that info! [:)]

    I think you posted this site, sometime back:http://www.backpacking.net/makegear.html which I will use to help me modify the outward hound pack I bought. The only 2 things I like about the outward hound are that it's cheap and that the bags are velcroed on so they can be pulled off easily, if necessary. Funny thing about pack design, I went to my local REI, and the smallest dog packs there seemed to be sized for small ponies!

    Thanks for mentioning the calming wrap, I've also heard that a snug t-shirt can act as a calming compression.

    And, as far as using a backpack for calm, purposeful walks, its like using a prong, choke or head harness - it only works when it's on, it doesn't train you and the dog to walk well together!

    (miss ginger - fun sig pic! And yes, I'd love to see a pic of 10 hiking dogs in packs [:D])
    • Gold Top Dog
    I received the wolf pack saddle bag today.  And, it's perfect for light hiking and longer walks.  And, will be light and comfortable but still accomplish helping with behavior. 
    • Gold Top Dog
    piiIiictures, please! [:D]
    • Gold Top Dog
    I don't have a pic of Ella in her backpack, but this is the one we have.


    [linkhttp://www.ruffwear.com/Palisades-Pack-trade-II?sc=2&category=13#]Ruffwear Palisades Pack[/link]

    It was given to us new because my mother-in-law to be bought it for her giant schnauzer, but he grew out of it before they got a chance to use it.

    It's NICE. And it DOES change her behavior.
    • Gold Top Dog
    Nice, chewbecca. [:D] Is it the same one Trevell has? Do your saddle bags come off too? Looks like it can hold a lot!
    • Gold Top Dog
    ORIGINAL: Ixas_girl

    Nice, chewbecca. [:D] Is it the same one Trevell has? Do your saddle bags come off too? Looks like it can hold a lot!


    I can remove the bags, yes, and just use the harness if I want.[:D]
    It's cool because the harness has a handle on it. It's got...I want to say 2-3 pockets (I believe it has an inside pocket in at least one of the saddle bags) and it came with some water bottle/bag/pouch things.

    I love it.[:D]
    • Gold Top Dog
    Stay tuned. . .Willow hiking pictures coming!  We went to one of the best places to hike in out state [:)]
    • Gold Top Dog
    piccies.....? [;)]
    • Gold Top Dog
    So, no one's tried the wolfpacks banzai or reflector packs?

    http://wolfpacks.com/