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ORIGINAL: L.F.chester
i want a really good guard dog

 
What do you envision a "guard" dog doing, exactly?

Billy, he's getting an Ovtcharka, despite warnings from several trainers and experienced dog people on this board.  Just Google the breed and you'll see what he will be getting in terms of its abilities. 

L.F., for now, the most sensible advice I can give, since you are determined to do this, is to PM PACLeader for some guidelines to start the pup off with. 
I would advise you to get your pup no younger than 8 weeks old, and no older than 10 weeks.  Start immediately socializing him to anything that you want him to accept once he is an adult.  And, continue to socialize him to those things, and people, until he is fully grown, and beyond.  These dogs will stop intruders.  You don't want the "intruder" to end up being your long lost aunt, or your sister's kid, so to speak.
I still think this is not a great decision, and would urge you to re-read fisher's post about  using a more easily managed breed as a guardian.  JMHO, and hopeful that all will be well, despite your choice.

I would clicker train. 

I definitely wouldn't use any aversives or harsh methods.  You  yourself could become "the enemy" quite quickly I would think.

ORIGINAL: L.F.chester

Ok guyz ur professional advices were amazing, now i need to ask you an other imporant question :

 --- Do you think that i can clicker train the breed im bout to get some obedience lessons ?????

Please answer me according to the breed im going to get which till now is the Aziat .

Thank you all

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well there are a lot of breeds that are protective.  Or can become protective once they know who their 'person' is.

So maybe your focus should be less on human aggressive, and more on 'person protective'.

My dog is not human aggressive, but if someone approaches me with a funky attitude, or acting a little shady,  he can become protective.

See the difference?

Any dog you get will act like that! Any dog you get will read your body language and get all weird if you are uncomfortable. It's why leash reactivity is so common!!!

I know that you don't agree with my breed of dog and that's okay with me.  I just wanted to say that I googled the dog that you are wanting to get and IMO, I would go a different route.  They are beautiful dogs but some of the things that I read just didn't settle right.  If you are wanting a big dog that would be a great protector, I'd say go with a Rottie.  They are only protective when need be but the rest of the time, they are big teddy bears.

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Billy, he's getting an Ovtcharka, despite warnings from several trainers and experienced dog people on this board.  Just Google the breed and you'll see what he will be getting in terms of its abilities. 

L.F., for now, the most sensible advice I can give, since you are determined to do this, is to PM PACLeader for some guidelines to start the pup off with. 
I would advise you to get your pup no younger than 8 weeks old, and no older than 10 weeks.  Start immediately socializing him to anything that you want him to accept once he is an adult.  And, continue to socialize him to those things, and people, until he is fully grown, and beyond.  These dogs will stop intruders.  You don't want the "intruder" to end up being your long lost aunt, or your sister's kid, so to speak.
I still think this is not a great decision, and would urge you to re-read fisher's post about  using a more easily managed breed as a guardian.  JMHO, and hopeful that all will be well, despite your choice.

 
Ditto Anne, and well said! [sm=bravo.gif]
 
I've read this post three times, and all I can do now is repost it along with Fisher6000's very enlightening initial ost.

ORIGINAL: fisher6000

LF Chester:

I live and work in some really nasty neighborhoods, and I have had dogs for a long time. In fact, one of the reasons I have a dog is for "protection." A little advice:

1. Dogs, in general, are great for protection! Any dog over 40lbs is going to protect you, because any decent-sized dog presents a challenge to a potential attacker. The attacker has no idea what kind of dog you have. Any dog is a risk, and there are lots of other targets to choose from.

This dog does not need to look or act particularly tough, be a "protective" breed, or be anything but a total mush. Just the presence of an animal that *could* make a straightforward mugging into a hassle is enough.

The best protection dog I have ever had was a big mutt that was really well-socialized and good with other dogs and really, really friendly with people. I did no protection training with him, he was not any special kind of dog. He was just big enough to make bad guys cross the street.

My current dog is a pretty little pansy--a 45-lb princess who loves other people to death! And you know what? I still walk the streets of Bed Stuy in Brooklyn late at night with this dog without fear because bad guys have no reason to know that this dog is lunging toward them because he wants to lick their face!!!


2. Dogs like the one you want to get can very quickly become dangerous to you and your community. This is a serious legal and moral responsibility, and not one you want to take without very specific skills.

Dogs like this wind up attacking kids, or killing other people's dogs. And you get sued, and you have to put your dog down.

3. Why take that huge financial and moral risk when any dog will protect you?

You've never even owned a dog before, and they are a lot of work and not for everybody. Why not get a good-looking, slightly menacing-looking but really, really nice dog from the shelter and learn whether dogs are your bag?

This costs much less money than buying a dog from a breeder. The chances of being responsible for someone's child being maimed will be much smaller. And you will still get what you want, which is that safe feeling walking down the street.

I am telling you from personal experience. There is a win-win solution here.

 
Great post and you covered a lot which was on my mind. []

Chester:
 
Not to be OT here, but do you know their rate of hip dysplasia is pretty high? Do you know how expensive that is to manage? Where do you live? In the US or someplace else?

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If you are wanting a big dog that would be a great protector, I'd say go with a Rottie. They are only protective when need be but the rest of the time, they are big teddy bears.

 
A better choice, certainly, but still not a good one.  Rotties are not for novices either, particularly not if you want a dog that will "be a guard dog" (??? depednsing what you think that role entails).  I second Anne, fisher and Angelique on what they have said already.... and I think Billy made an excellent point:
 

  What do you envision a "guard" dog doing, exactly?

 
I think this does need to be clarified.

Hey LF,

Okay, you live in Lebanon, where there are probably a lot of street gangs and chaos, seeing as how there is quite a bit of... unrest. That's different than Brooklyn.

Get a rott and learn how to train it and keep hanging out here. Don't get a dog that is just as likely to kill you or yours in an already chaotic environment!

I still strongly advise against protection training. It's really specialized work. Fiind out whether or not you even want a dog.

Good luck! Where in Lebanon do you live? What is life like there these days?

One warning--choose the breed carefully, even the rottie. I don't mean to bring up health issues but rotties have a tendency for HD, too, and living in Lebanon means less opportunity for ortho vets/surgeons.
 
You just have to find the perfect breeder to avoid all of that expensive stuff. Best of luck to you.