housebreaking question

    • Silver

    housebreaking question

     I've got a problem that I can't seem to figure out so I thought that maybe someone has an idea what to do... The thing is, I am going to be dog sitting for friends while they go on vacation, which is fine BUT the problem is that the dog in question isn't housebroken !   Lady is a rescue, shes been visits us quite regularly for about a year now and she always,  ALWAYS  manages to P somewhere, most often on the carpet ofcourse! Shes a small mix breed so the Pee isn't usually huge but it is ruining my carpet... I've tried taking her out every half an hour which is better but does not totally solve the problem... What is frustrating is that Lady isn't a puppy, shes somewhere between 3 & 5 years old ! old enough to know where to go Pee... Any ideas ?  HELP !

    • Gold Top Dog

     Well, the solution is to housetrain her.  You have to go back to housetraining 101 and start at the beginning as you would with a new puppy.  The added frustration is that Lady already has bad habits that need to be broken as well. 

    I do believe that this responsibility lies with her owners, who obviously haven't taken the time to train her properly.  You mentioned that she is a rescue?  How long have they had her?  And what steps have they taken at home to train her?  I'd be mighty frustrated if a I had to start over each time I dog sat for a particular dog.  

    In any event, these are my basic steps for potty training:

    • Leash the dog to you.
    • go out on a regular basis.
    • throw a party when dog goes in the right spot(treats, belly rubs, skritches etc)
    • crate dog when you can't watch her.

    Make a total no issue about accidents if there are any.  Its not about the negative relationship between going in the house, but more about the positive rewards of going outside.  Its an easier concept for them to grasp.  

    For the time being, I would not let her in any carpeted areas of the house.  Crate her or confine her in some way when you can't watch her.  and reward her like crazy when she does it right.  Then refuse to dogsit again until Lady's owners have taken the time to train her.

    • Gold Top Dog

    You didn't make it clear whether she visits WITH her owners, how long she will be with you for or whether the owners have this problem at home, so, because she visits regularly, I'm pretty much going to outline how we housetrain new dogs and puppies in our house, even though she's not "yours".  If her owners are having the same issue, you could maybe pass it on to them - if not, you would likely only need to go over this once or twice when she visits for her to realise that the same rules apply HERE, as at home.

    First of all, no dog is "old enough to know where to pee".  It's not about age, it's about whether they have been taught.  As she is a rescue, it is quite possible that her first owners never house trained her properly, so it would be a bit like no one ever teaching you to read and then one day someone says "Well, you're OLD ENOUGH to know how to read!" Smile

    Another thing to remember is, lots and LOTS of dogs regress in house training when they go to a new house, or even just visit a new house.  Just because they can't pee AT HOME, doesn't automatically mean they can't pee inside ANY HOUSE.  Dogs do not usually generalise very well, so this is actually very common. 

    A lot of dogs also regress in house training when something stressful happens - like moving house for example. This is because anxiety lessens the control they have over their bladder and bowels, and with some dogs, its a kind of marking and is linked to nervousness.... like, they reassure themselves by surrounding themselves with a very familiar scent; their own.

    Finally, it's not clear from your post whethr she does actually GO every time she is taken outside but is still having accidents, or whether she doesn't seem to undertsand that she is meant to do it outside.  If she is peeing very frequently and/or seems to have little bladder control, it may be a physical problem which is causing this, like a UTI.  Do you know if her owners have had her checked by a vet for this?

    Assuming that a medical problem has been ruled out, it sounds like Lady fits into quite a lot of these categories (a rescue, visiting, possibly stressed, possibly never trained properly in the 1st place) and add to this she is a small dog (therefore with a smaller bladder) it's really no surprise that she is struggling with this. 

    The very first thing you need to do is take away any opportunity for her to pee in the wrong place.  So:

    • Tether her TO YOU
    • WATCH her very closely
    • Take her out FREQUENTLY, especially after eating, drinking and sleeping, and long periods of chewing or playing.  (You don't need to be outside very long, just a few minutes at most).

    The second thing you need to do is make CERTAIN that your carpet is not harbouring any doggy-pee smells that are encouraging her to go back and use it again.  Lots of regular cleaning products just don't do the job properly - OR they smell like ammonia to the dog anyway.  You need an enzymatic one, designed for pet-messes.

    The third thing you need to do is communicate to her the CORRECT place for her to pee, and just how PLEASED you are with her when she gets it right.  How to do this depends on the personality of the dog and what they like best.

    Take her outside as often as you can - every half an hour is good, but every 15-20 minutes would be even better, initially.

    Keep her on a lead and walk about for a few minutes, to encourage her to "go".

    Some dogs just CAN'T do it if they feel "watched" - in a lot of cases this is because they have been punished for peeing in the WRONG place before, and have simply decided it;s better not to do it in front of humans.  So you may need to make a pretense of NOT watching her, even to the point of using a long line to give her more freedom and turning your back on her, using a hand held mirror to watch for when she "goes".

    If no joy - that's fine, just take her back inside but watch her even more closely, keep her tethered to you (so she can't sneak off!) and resolve to try again in 5-10 minutes, or sooner if she shows any signs.

    If she does go, then you might want to say a cue-word (like "hurry up" or "go pee" or whatever) AS she is going.  If her owners do this, find out what word they use and use that.  After a short while, this can be used to prompt her to go when she IS outside (and is very helfpul if it is raining for example).

    The moment she has finished, step up close to her and pop a tasty treat in her mouth.  Don't call her - WALK UP.  You want her to KNOW what the treat is for, and it's not for coming to you Wink 

    (A note about treats: the treat should be the tastiest treat imaginable.  Something soft and moist and stinky for preference.  Keep this for "good potty" ONLY.  This will make her work extra hard to get it - ie, once she twigs that she gets it for peeing outside, she will try to hold on and get outside if at all possible Smile)

    Now that she has peed and got her treat, don't forget to PRAISE her Smile  If she is not a nervy, shy dog, you can THROW A PARTY to let her know how THRILLED you are that she "got it".  High pitched voice, lots of luv-inz, praise, petting, jumping up and down, yay!  The neighbours will think your barking, but it will save your carpet.  With some dogs, this doesn't help, because they are just too nervy and it makes them more neurotic about toileting.  In which case, just give her lots of petting and praise her in a warm voice and SMILE at her.  Your response to a "goodpotty" depends on her personality.  If in doubt, just go for the quiet petting - she will still "get it", especially if the treat is a really yummy one.

    If she ENJOYS play outside then play a fun game, and if its SAFE to do it, let her off the lead.  A lot of dogs learn that peeing ends the fun so they try NOT to go when outside, because they don't want to come back in.   If she just wants to get back inside then go back inside fairly quickly once she has been.  In both cases, you could give her some limited freedom indoors immediately after peeing in the right place - so, no longer tethered, but keep her in the same room as you for now, so you can continue to watch her.

    If she has an accident - interrupt it if you can and take her to the right place swiftly and calmly.  REWARD her for anything she does out there, as above!  Then put her out of sight while you clean up.  Remember the enzymatic cleaner Smile) Soak up some of the pee in a paper towel and transfer it OUTSIDE if possible, and let her see and smell that.  Never punish or scold her for incorrect toileting.

    You might find it helpful to keep a pot of her treats near the door with her lead, so you don't forget to grab a couple on your way outside, and you will have them on you at the crucial moment.  Treats delivered after the fact are unlikely to be effective.

    Hope that helps.

    • Silver

    Thanks so much for the information, I've never had such a hard time housebreaking any of my shepherds so this is all new to me...

    I guess I wasn't to clear in my post, when Lady was adopted she came with this problem, ( I beleive its why she ended up at the SPCA in the first place)... Her new owners are at their wits end as they have been trying unsuccessfully to get her to stop Pee-ing in their house... Lady does pee everytime we take her out and yet she continues to pee inside as well, maybe she doesn't totally empty her bladder when she goes outside I'm not sure ???  Lady has been checked for UTI so thats not the problem... I think your right, it must be a comination of things that have contributed to the problem, with her going from one owner to the SPCA to another owner to her visits here ( personally I wouldn't take my un- housebroken dog to anyones house, but thats just me) Anyway it looks like we've got our work cut out for us....

    oh one other thing when Lady is at home and her owners go to work/school should they crate her or just confine her in say a kitchen area,  do you think she should be crated at night too, at least until the Pee-ing problem is fixed?

     Again thanks so much for your help, I'm going to print this out and share it with her owners, I'm sure they will appreciate it too...

    • Gold Top Dog

     Does she pee indoors at night?  I personally prefer to only use the crate for short stretches.... say, up to a hour, or 2 hours if they are napping, plus being crated all night. I would not want to crate all day AND all night, but that's just me.  OMMV.

    If she has to be left alone for a LONG time (like, all day) then using an ex-pen indoors would be better, I think.  If it's for a few hours at a time, then I think a crate would be fine as a short term measure only.  Provided her instinct to not foul her bed is intact and the crate is not too large, then a crate will teach her to "hold it".  If she does have to be left alone for a long time, maybe a dog walker, or helpful neighbour cold be roped in to take her out during the day, so that the crate can still be used, witout being cruel.... I'd still want to move on from a crate to an ex-pen as soon as, though... and possibly from an ex-pen to more freedom, if she can handle it.

    If she has no medical issues, and if toilet trips are handled sensitively (ie, giving her a few minutes of "privacy" if that's what she needs), then really, HONESTLY, just finding "THAT treat" can make a HUGE difference in a short space of time.  I'm talking about liver brownies, flakes of salmon, a smidgen of soft cheese, liverwurst or peanut butter, a few licks of a jar of meaty baby food.... something SCRUMMY.  Be imaginative.  Find our what she likes best, what she would KILL OR DIE for!!  (Actually the baby food idea is a good one, because you can carry it in your pocket and always have it on you when you need it.)

    • Gold Top Dog

     I'm of a slightly different school as far as crating goes, from Chuffy.  Both of my dogs were crated when I was at work, and at night for bedtime.  They are 100% reliable in the house now, so i don't worry about them anymore, but as an adult dog, I think Lady would do just fine in a crate at night and during the day, until she figures out what to do with her bladder.  (I will clarify, that I mean 6 hours give or take, for work and the same for night, not 10 and 10 or something as extreme.)

    • Gold Top Dog

     Oh right, I was thinking 8 hours day, and 8 hours night, or more!  I think 6/6 would be ok at a stretch, my ex BF used to do that, but with a neighbour to let the pup out to stretch his legs/pee about halfway.  I honestly think that if the dog is going to be crated for more than 3 or 4 hours, a dog walker or helpful neighbour is a REALLY good idea.....

    • Gold Top Dog

    Has anyone checked to see if this is simply spay incontinence?  Why doesn't someone put bitches britches on her with continence pads in them (it would at least work for the duration while she's at your house).

    • Gold Top Dog
    Consistency is the key to success. Not sure how often you dog sit her, but if her owners aren't taking the necessary steps to train her, chances are high that she will not stop peeing on your carpet and may never become house trained. Has anyone tried wee wee pads? Because she is a rescue, perhaps she was used to having them in her original home??
    • Gold Top Dog

     Can bitches get spay incontinence that young?!  Yikes....

    • Silver

    I agree, thats what I did with my shepherds, although I am a stay at home mom so they were only crated when I did errands and again at over night until I felt they were old enough to have free run of the house...  Now all three of my guys have the run of the house and except for one incident with the thanksgiving turkey they have been great...

    I apprecitate everyones help, I'll keep you posted on Ladys progress... Thanks again :~)

    • Gold Top Dog

     Absolutely, Chuffy! Emma was 14 months when she was diagnosed incontinent, and it'd been going on for quite some time. Unfortunately, she was spayed at 8 weeks.