Mr. Growly Pants, sorting out who's alpha? A maturing phase?

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    Mr. Growly Pants, sorting out who's alpha? A maturing phase?

    Woobie and Indie seem to be sorting out who is going to be top dog here lately.  Indie is 2 1/2 and Woobie will be (or already is) 2 in September-ish.  They've always had a sort of standing agreement, Indie gets to be the brute inside the house and generally is more the boss inside and Woobie is more pushy and bossy outside.  It seemed to be working and there was never any real scuffles just things like Woobie playing more roughly outside and Indie tending to give him his belly.  Inside, Indie will take a bone that Woobie's chewing or a toy or move him out of his space in front of the patio door, etc.  Over the past month, Woobie seems to be standing up to Indie more and asserting himself inside.  Indie doesn't seem to mind and gives in pretty readily, it seems to be his nature.  But Woobie's started to get a bit growly towards everyone.  If he's lying somewhere and anyone gets too close, he gives a little grumble and then moves away, nothing too terribly menacing, just sort of like an old man type grumble.  Last week at the dog park, he grumbled at a few dogs too and gave an ugly grumble to a puppy that approached.  He wasn't near me when it happened, so I don't think it's resource guarding of me, it seems like a space issue, he seems to be defending his personal bubble a bit.  And then just the other day he had taken a treat and was eating it on the couch (he eats everything much more slowly than Indie, so I crate them at mealtimes) and Indie approached.  For the first time ever, Woobie showed a snarly teeth face and no growl, just an ugly warning scowl, which I'd NEVER seen from him.  Should I be concerned?  Is this a maturity thing where they are going to sort out who is top dog?  Is he starting to be more assertive at the dog park because of an age thing or is it a sign of something to be worried about.  He's always been super easy going at the dog park and it's his favorite place on earth, so the grumbling was a surprise.  I've never had a multi-dog house before and my previous dog was not dog park material, so I wasn't exposed to how he would handle other dogs as he matured. I've checked Woobie over pretty thoroughly and it doesn't seem that anything physical is bothering him, but I may take him for a look-see at the vet if it's something I should be worried about.  Tips? 

    ETA: He grumbles at other animals that get in his space, not us humans, just wanted to make that clear. He's grumbled at the cats as they get close once or twice.

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    I'm usually the last one to say this but, could Woobie be ill?Have some pain issue like ears or teeth that could account for the change in disposition?

    Tena

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     It's hard to say - he could have some pain going on. Make sure you really check him over.

    With my dogs, I don't get upset about them givnig a snark/growl whatever at other dogs if they are eating/chewing a bone. But I would get upset if one of them growled/grumbled at me for getting in their space. You should probably go back to doing NILIF just to make it clear that you control the resources, and that includes space. Even if this is the terrible twos (so to speak) it would be a good time to re-do your obedience training

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     It is very uncharacteristic for him to act this way, but I've been thinking back on some behaviors in the past few months and I think he's been trying some things on for size and now is getting a bit bully-ish.  I've also not been as diligent as I should have been about making them each respect one another's space and things.  Letting them take bones and toys back and forth from each other.  I viewed it as play because there really wasn't any problems or snarking.  I've also been letting Woobie exit and enter doors first, walk just a nose ahead of Indie, etc.  So that stops today, back to a more rigid NILIF for both of them.  And a quick look-see at the vet, just to make sure.  I went over him nose to tail this morning and didn't notice any signs of pain or discomfort, but I'll check just to be sure.  My gut tells me this is him trying things out, I just don't want to let it escalate into a real problem.

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     well I think you've hit the nail on the head in this post - Bugsy didn't get growly but he certainly got an extra dose of bold when he hit the terrible twos.  I think that is when he was running his e-fence line when the kids were in the cul de sac  - at little extra attention from me and staying on top of it, it passed and he hasn't even shown an interest in that in AGES.

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     I think you're right.  Putting them both back on hard core NILIF and alternating who gets different things first seems to have really helped.  They both went to the dog park at different times separately and did really well listening and responding to me.  I've still got a check over scheduled for Monday for Woobie just to be sure.  I'm not used to this because my terrier was a full on brat that drove me bonkers until he turned 3, the extended adolescence was HELL!