Training Manners Part 2 (dumdog)

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    Training Manners Part 2 (dumdog)

     i got a lot of good ideas from Cita's thread about the boxer.... i'm having similar issues here with this shepherd(Allen named her Miki after his old shepherd...."Because they are so much alike!*giggle*";) . but i SWEAR i did NOT raise this dog! if i EVER raised a dog like this i would hang my head in shame and never show my face in public again. most of mine were either trained as 8 week old puppies by me or came to me already trained in some form or fashion and i expounded on it. this is mostly a rant just to blow off steam.. this dog is my greatest challenge!!! i already know most of the tricks of the trade (consistency being #1) but i swear, i have never met a dog as confounding as this one. i KNOW she is trainable but i have the joyous task of finding which method works for her! i cant mention any of these issues with my cousin because i'll get a big fat "Told you so! you dont know what yur doing and you cant handler her and you need to just find someone who can put'er in her place! someone like me!" i will not admit defeat to a puppy. i refuse. flat out and simple as that. i have the time to do it, but she sure does make my two bucket headed bulldogs look like Obedience Class Super Stars...

    The problems we're having are as follows...

    Boundary issues - right now i CANT afford a crate. i want one.. i had one i borrowed when Kaydee first hurt her back but i had to give back recently. so a crate just CANT physically happen right now unless someone gives me one.. i've never really needed a crate until now actually.  When Amber was a puppy i had one for her and it worked great.... now that she's older she doesnt need it. i have got 3 baby gates to keep animals or kids out specific areas - namely the kitchen and our bedroom (its right next to the laundry room which is filled with chemicals, brooms, tools, and other such stuff) i dont care if the dog goes in there or into the bedroom but kids must stay out. Dogs arent allowed in my kitchen if i'm cooking or feeding the family or for any other reason except for their own meal time. if they're not interested in their food then they have to leave the kitchen.. i do this with my kids too really.... theres too many dangers for playing and my kitchen isnt big enough for everyone anyway.. plus i dont like dog hairs all over my food prep surfaces. the other dogs will stand at the border of the kitchen.. paws on the carpet and toes touching tile.. thats as far as they go and thats great. The worst thing Miki does - and it seems like she knows i hate this - is she'll rear up and put her feet on the gate to look in. i tell her get down and she will... one. paw. at. a. time..... maybe.... when she first came here she thought the gate was just a fun obstacle she had to climb over in order to get to all the yummies.. but with help from my husband (occasionally)  she's gotten a little better. but once my back is turned she's at it again.only she isnt climbing as much, but looking in. however yesterday she had the GALL to try to climb over the gate while i was cooking. when she does this she usually she ends up knocking the gate down so i have to stop what i'm doing to get it back up in a hurry because the sound of a baby gate crashing to the floor has the same effect on Shane as a can opener has on a house cat... so yesterday when she tried climbing in while i was cooking i ended up putting her in our bedroom with the door shut - as a result she promptly started to claw at the carpet under the door.... thankfully my husband came home about that time. so add that to list. but as for boundaries.... if i want her to eat her snacks or dinner in another room she refuses. she'll either eat in front of us or not at all. those are her choices.  i dont want my kids picking up the remains of her food and trying to eat it. she acts like she has a mild form of separation anxiety minus the destruction. she is always on the wrong side of the door and wants to be up your butt 24/7. if you step outside she will run from window to window for several minutes before settling down. if you're only gone five minutes she acts like its been days. yes i know and frequently remind myself that she's a puppy... but none of my puppies acted this way after a certain period of time. they would greet me, wag tails, lick my hands.. but didnt spazz out.

    Now.... the rearing up and putting paws on the gate doesnt really BOTHER me... what bothers me is we're working on "down" and when i use it i have to expect results.. otherwise its a random word flung out there that she doesnt have to obey... i believe in choosing my battles wisely and i should probably just leave it alone. but part of it comes from the first days of her trying to climb over. i dont want her to think she can start that all over again. i dont want her touching the gates period really.... but only because of the kids.   

    Carpet Clawing - she is never on the right side of the , as i said. my oldest son however (two years old) found out that he can trick her into going into his bedroom by throwing something in there for her to fetch.. then he slams the door before she can come out. he doesnt like her much right now, but he isnt really a dog person.. at least not big dogs. he likes Amber and he likes the cat... he USED to like Kaydee before she got hurt... now i think she scares him a little with her funny walk. He certainly thinks Miki is too big and hairy and moves too fast. i did make him open the door and let her out. This isnt directed at just the dog... he's done this to his brother a time or two as well Confused and i have to make him open the door to let him out too....

    Stay - going outside is tricky because you risk the chance of shutting her nose in the door. i gave her a spot to "Sit" in when  i go outside and she will sit pretty as you please until i walk away, then she is running at the door to go out.. not just running, but tries to push past you. i know the key is to keep doing it over and over again and i cant possibly expect her to "get it" in only a week.... its just something we have to keep working on. i live on a farm so i am in and out constantly checking on water, food, or cleaning something. i never realised how much i went in and out until she showed up lol she gets loads of yard time, goofing off with Amber - we've decided not to risk her being with the bulldogs yet and i'll get to that later - but she does have a lot of energy in spite of that... so i like to take her for a run when time allows. But she seems to think when the door opens she can go out of it when ever she wants. we're working on making her sit - with the leash on - before going outside with her but its touch and go right now. literally........

    Get Down (aka "Get offa me you big hairy gorrilla! i cant breath!";) - if my kids try to sit in a chair to watch tv or play with their toys she'll flatten them in her attempt to join the fun. so unless i am standing over her 24/7 i end up having to rescue my kids (or the kids i babysit) because she wants to be a lapdog. Mostly she will climb onto one end of the sofa and wallow towards you then settles down. its her ritual, and its kinda cute, but not to small kids. she wont get in MY lap because i made it clear to her from day one that i wont tolerate it so she wont bother. she'll sit next to me for affection, or i can lie down on the floor with her and thats all she expects from me in the way of petting(we have our rough housing times too). but my husband encourages her to climb on up into his lap and he lets her jump up on him for petting. the boys cant really communicate to tell her no so she just forces herself on them. and if you walk in the door she tries to leap up on you - and if you happen to be carrying food you better be on your guard! She is obsessive over food. totally mad for it. and not for HER food but PEOPLE food!  the junkier the better! (not a bad idea really.. as if i need to be eating cookies or pringles anyway). But when the T-Bone Steaks hot off the grill are in peril i draw the line. she can jump REALLY high.. my husband is nearly six feet and she has almost knocked food out of his hands even though he was holding it over his head. I also dont like our guests being assaulted by a big dog... my mom almost lost her sandwich because she forgot we had a new dog.. I CANT make my husband understand that he's confusing her by letting her jump up on him. how is she supposed to know who is off limits unless she jumps on them first? I dont MIND a dog putting their paws on my shoulder or chest as long as i ask them to do it.... but ONLY when i ask them to. its just like any other trick to me.... right up there with Sit, Beg, Shake, and Roll Over. Up is one of the commands all my dogs know just like any other.

    Leave it -  however i should say DROP IT. there arent too many temptations for her to "leave" but when she does find one you have to chase her for what ever she has grabbed... thats another thing my husband doesnt understand. she's a shepherd.. and one thing i remember most about GSDs is they LOVE to play chase. my sisters GSD was useless at fetch. you could throw the ball or stick and she would catch it.. but the game was over once she did. it turned into "catch me if you can". my husband LOVES this game..... i dont. i love running, especially with my dogs but i dont like chasing them. If i need her to come to me right away she's going to think i'm playing the moment i reach for her. she's going to dash away thinking its a game when it could be an emergency situation. And when you add an object to the mix..... its even worse! My oldest son had the bright idea to stuff honey-nut cheerios into some plastic hollow toy (it interlocks into other toys) .. i didnt know he'd done this until i caught her chewing on it. she isnt REALLY bad about chewing (we'll get to that later!) but she obviously thought she'd found herself a pint sized Kong and was worrying away at it. I said "No! Leave it!" then "No... NO Drop it!" which then turned into "get back here with that!" and all around the sofa we ran. i know i know! i was the fool that chased her.... but when i didnt chase her she would stand still and take up her chewing. i managed to rescue the toy.. emptied it, washed it, and put it and any others just like it away. Sleep.. and then theres diapers....... i'm not bad about leaving them laying around anyway but when i change one of the boys i have to make sure she isnt waiting to pounce on it the second i put it down to strap on the new diaper. we've played that game before too..yuck!

    Chewing - OK...... this one makes me laugh because i got to say "I Told You So!" to my husband.. something i rarely do.. but i DID warn him several times about the likelihood of this happening. We have a $300 genuine leather chair that looks absolutely lovely in our home. But even though we only paid $75 for it we still treat it with the respect it deserves..or at least i thought WE did.... this is the Man Chair... my husbands favourite spot. and it also happens to be the dogs favourite spot too.... again i dont like dogs on furniture. its just my pet peve and i have very good reasons for it. some people can get away with letting their dogs on furniture but disaster always strikes when i let mine do it. either someone yaks on it, pees on it, chews on it, claws it up, or leaves so much hair on it that i dont want to sit there anymore... Well two days ago i bought some nice yummy chewy toys for Miki (this was after she gnawed on my brand new freshoutofthebox leather shoes - again i was the fool that left them on the floor in the living room.. but my husband was the fool that let her out into the hallway while we were sleeping, thinking she would mind the baby gate) So anyway.... i was out of the house that evening and Allen was fixing our computers (so i could type this lovely long rant in my own home!) when i came in the door Miki was gnawing on the arm of the leather chair. NORMALLY she sleeps in this chair because its cool. that night she decided to eat it. she didnt harm it too badly. a repair kit will fix it right up. but my husband got royally upset over it. then tried to blame ME!! because i bought her leather chew toys! "rawhides are leather!! You knew better!"... i reminded him that... duh... i got the chewies because she tried to eat my shoes FIRST! ... that shut him up.. i am not the type of person to flip out over "stuff" getting damaged. its just stuff. there is nothing in my house more important than my kids, husband or pets. no i'm not thrilled over it, but i get over it quickly enough. and anyway i told him so, maybe next time he'll listen! lol

    But like i said she isnt a demonic chewer.. she's a Bore Puppy chewer. she has all her teeth but still gets a kick out of gnawing occasionally.. some dogs are like that. Kaydee certainly is! its either a tennis ball, rope toy, or something you value.. choice is yours. So far - and its my fault, not blaming her at all - Miki has chewed a pair of house slippers(i didnt wear them anyway) a fly swatter, my new shoes, the chair, and a big inflated rubber ball. i could have hit Allen over that one. his comment was "the kids dont play with it anyway!" Hmm suuuuure... its fine and dandy until she eats YOUR toy....

    Snapping at food - when you offer her a treat she'll nearly take your hand off for it. from the look of her she has never missed a meal... but her actions say otherwise. she has hurt me a couple of times by snapping at food. i know how to get around it, but it sure does smart!! she's getting better though! it used to be she would gulp your whole hand down with no attention to if she bit you or not... then she graduated to just nipping finger tips... now she is randomly licking the food out of your hands or snapping... you just have to make her focus before giving her food. if you dont say her name and tell her to sit she's like "OMGFOODGIMMEHBLARGH!!"  

    Tact towards other dogs and animals- i am guessing she was one of those pups that was bought too young or was never allowed to socialise with other animals. as i mentioned above, we've both decided she cant go near the bulldogs until she learns to settle down. Kaydee is getting older and hasnt got her patience like she used to have AND she's still at a high risk level for another back injury. Miki runs, leaps, dodges, darts, pounces, and pile drives into you when she plays. i wont put Kaydee at risk for injury or pissing her off so that she feels like she needs to bite to defend herself. Amber is a little different though. She is a good teacher for this one. she wont take any gaff from her but will still play and run and jump etc. when Miki gets too harsh Amber lets her know and she'll settle down. and dont worry i'm always right there watching everyone!!

    And then we have the cat.... i cant tell if she's just super psyched over the cat because its new (she was psyched about the rabbits but ignores them now) or if she has been encouraged to chase and attack cats.. she does NOT like the cat. She isnt as bad as she was the first week though. she's a fast learner!! the first week she would throw herself at the door if she saw the cats or rabbits. now she just goes nuts when she sees us pet the cat. NOT like she used to be though. tonight we actually had a breakthrough of sorts. she lunges, and jumps and strains on the leash when she sees the cat. i make her lie down and the cat saunters up to her... when she can sniff him she settles down. but i dont dare let her off the leash yet around him. she hasnt tried to snap at him but when she FIRST saw him you would have thought she'd seen a bear with the way she growled.. 

    last but not least we have

    Mouthing- .... I dont have anything against GSDs except for this... i do not like my arm to be swallowed, drooled upon or gnawed on. I had ONE dog that ever got close to any of them.... when i got off the bus he would run to me, grab my hand in his mouth, and walk me to the house. once we were on the porch he would let go and we would both go inside.... what he did is different from what i'm talking about. again she doesnt do this to ME because i wont let her... i dont like puppies to think its ok to view a human hand as a toy, but her previous owners obviously didnt care.  Where my kids are concerned its up to me to keep her off them because of her mouth. the only time she mouths them is if they run or are wrestling with each other. which usually goes something like this: kid giggles and runs from the other kid, puppy wants to play too so she runs after them, mouths their hand and makes them fall down. they start fussing so she tries to lick their faces. i know it sounds like she is terrorizing my kids and animals but i assure you she's not. if she was a terror then she couldnt stay here. she's just a big dumb puppy.. the majority of the time she will let them crawl on her or follows them around in case they drop a crumb. and no she's never snapped food away from them like she has from the adults. its something that worries me constantly though..  i make sure to stand over them both when they have a snack.... but toddlers being toddlers they have fed her their snacks and she is great about being gentle with them. but this is only recently. the first week i didnt allow food anywhere near her when they were around because i didnt know if she was reactive to it or not and i DAMN SURE didnt want her snapping food out of their baby hands. happy to say she isnt food aggressive! she's just a little oinker... when i do give the boys a cracker she usually gets a treat too. but when she finishes gulping hers down she'll act like she's going to take theirs. that is when i tell her "No. Sit" and she gets another reward for doing so.

     


    i have a goal in mind for her.... i have always had well behaved, calm house dogs that were content to do what ever i was doing. my husband, HOWEVER, thinks that is breaking their spirit and turning them into robots. hence the reason why he likes it when the dog joins him in his chair on its own accord. he wants a dog to show affection when it feels it. i agree but i dont agree that the dog has to flatten me in order to be affectionate. we had this argument when we first got Kaydee.... same stuff... "No jumping!" "But i like jumping!" "No Chasing!" "But Chasing is FUN!" etc. etc... my dogs arent robots. we have fun, loads of it.... we go hiking, bike riding, running, hunting, swimming. we play fetch, and tug and other games.. but when i stop goofing off they stop as well. i know much of what i'm asking comes with maturity on the dogs part. and i admit that my past dogs had their moments when their youth got the better of them. but NEVER like this. and i NEVER had someone contradicting me at every turn. When Allen compares her to his old Miki, or talks about the old Miki and some of his stunts i cant help but mutter that i wouldnt have liked him much.... Allens the shepherd fan here. i like them well enough, just like any other working breed. i have experience with them as well. they're a family favourite.. But Allen will sometimes point out that Sheps are better than bulldogs and gives his dog (a GSDXbeaglecollie) as a prime example... i have a tragically great memory and i know all the Miki Stories by heart. His childhood dog got into a fight with two dobermans and mopped the ground with them. got into a fight with a pitbull and nearly killed him, ran some poor kids pet rabbit to death. no he didnt kill it.. just wanted to play.. but the bunny didnt get the memo. it ran until it dropped dead. Miki also tried to attack the meter man (i give him that one... the meter man thought he'd "teach this new dog a lesson" and maced him on the first meeting) but Miki was also the sorta dog you had to worry about if someone was walking down the sidewalk. And one the most frequently told stories is how Miki escaped out of the house and attacked one of Allens friends when they were play wrestling. he didnt bite or maul him.. he just shoulder rushed him and then scratched him down his back. .. .. Kaydee hasnt got HALF the quirks this dog had. i'm not comparing breeds at all.. but i AM comparing the individuals. i told Allen that his dog was a monster and would NOT be welcome in MY home and he sorta laughs.. Allen isnt really a DOG person like i am. he likes his dog, loves to play with his dog but thats about it. He's backwards in training methods and flies by the seat of his pants in some areas and is inconsistent in others. i dont want her to be ANYTHING like his childhood dog! I already know i'm going to be the one to train this one.. but isnt that the way it goes? mom does all the work and has to be the "bad guy" all day long.. then dad comes home and its party time....

     

    anyway thats the end of my rant.. i'm sure many of you can find flaws in my methods and thats ok. point them out if you like. i'm VERY open minded right now.

    and for anyone else....... lol this is something you should consider when you start to feel that puppy itch...  like i said before.. all my past pups were 8 weeks old when i got them and i took them everywhere with me and began training from day one. however it seems the people in THIS region think a dog is incapable of learning anything before the age of one year. Indifferent my mother inlaw even said that!!  gee i wish someone had told me all those years ago!!

     

    in the end she's a good dog. i can trust her to be in the house alone and not have to worry about her messing up... i just cant trust her alone with my husband when he isnt paying attention.... 

     

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    Try posting on Craig's list and freecycle for a crate.  I think you need one.

    I hate to say this, but boundary respect takes time.  Actually all the issues you mentioned take time.   As for the conflict in training methods, I'm not sure that's such a huge big deal.  I'd suggest finding a training class...maybe through the shelter and making DH take her for classes.  I think I'd leave a leash on her....then when she steals something, you can reel her in and not chase her.  You don't want to give a command more than once because then it does become optional and they respond at their leisure NOT because you made a request ONE time.  If she doesn't do what you've requested, no matter what it is, you can reel her in and get her attention.

    If you've only had her for a week, perhaps you're expecting a bit much too soon?  I don't know anything about this dog...age, history, etc, so I don't know the situation.  I can say that when I get shepherds to rehab I start with them from square one, like they are very young pups.  And usually within 6 weeks they have manners and I'm able to send them to their forever homes where the new parents will further their training.  But, the ones I get have absolutely no manners when I get them and we need to start as if they'd never been taught a danged thing.  I'm firm, but very consistent and loving.  The only negative they get from me is the "eh eh".  That works extremely well for me, whether they jump on someone, break a sit at the door, or mouth me.  They are more likely to get "what do we need to do?" and then I tell them again to sit or whatever.

    To keep your fingers safe....offer the treats in an open hand.  And remember that gsds are known to be velcro dogs so compared to your other dogs, she may seem to have a bit of SA, but she probably doesn't.  This is a breed characteristic....they want to be close to their people.  For the mouthing, I use a correct and redirect method and I'm very, very consistent with it.  Teeth or mouth touch skin, they hear "unh uh, no bite" and are given something ok to put their mouths on from my every present fanny pack, then praised for mouthing or chewing on it instead of me.  It doesn't take long for them to get the idea.  However, my Shadow, who was an "only" will still mouth when he's over excited.......he didn't learn from his litter mates clearly, since he didn't have any,   It's only his mouth, never a tooth in sight, but, depending on their history, sometimes they don't totally EVER get over mouthing.  It doesn't bother me, but I will still correct and try to re-focus him.  Again, he only does this when he is super excited, but with Shadow, he seems to live on the brink of super excited.  LOL.

    Time, patience and consistency.....and did I mention a training class?  are going to be the keys to this.  And that's very easy for me to say since I don't have toddlers to tend to as well.  You can always pm me and I'll try to help anyway that I can.

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    Thanks Glenda Big Smile 

    she's (we're GUESSING) somewhere around five to six months old. we dont know her history either. she has no chip and no one has answered my adds for the found puppy. that doesnt mean she isnt missed though. we still expect for her people to drive past and see her in the front yard playing and come claim her... but so far no one has even slowed down. the man across the string thinks she was dumped because he saw a man drive down the logging road with a dog in his truck but didnt think much of it at the time. he was in the middle of house repairs when he noticed this truck.

    Training classes will be extremely difficult right now. we live so far out in the country that it takes more money than we can afford just to pay for the gas to get there. so we dont go to the city unless we absolutely have to right now. i'm home all day every day so i can do most of the training myself... just need some guidance in some areas. Sure i'm pretty busy with work but not so busy that i couldnt devote time to just her. Thats what nap time is for! How long would you recommend training sessions to last with a dog this young? i've heard people give different estimates... anything from five minutes to thirty...  and with the dogs i've had in the past i never timed it...... we just did training a little bit throughout the day (i was lucky enough to get them during summer breaks)

    and yeah i forgot about the velcro thing..... i'm used to my bulldogs just picking a spot and staying there and only glancing around occasionally to make sure everyone is where they're supposed to be... or wandering off to some place quiet but still being within earshot. Amber is a bit of both i guess..... she doesnt run from window to window or try to run out the door.. but she doesnt like being left out of the action either.

    and yep i know better than to expect a miracle within only a week of having her hear lol i dont care how fast CM can get a dog to behave on tv... i know better Big Smile but i think he is mostly dealing with dogs like mine after they've reached the age of three.... Miki seems to believe she is still as small as an 8 week old puppy and she acts a lot like an 8 week old pup... only stronger and more determined.

    and thats a good idea about the leash thing. with my pups in the past i did that for house training purposes (didnt have a crate then either.. Amber was the only one that got a crate) at the moment she's lying flat on her side beside me while i'm at the computer..... i guess she played too hard last night, which was the goal... a tired dog is a well behaved dog, right? of course if i get up to change a diaper, refill a sippy cup, or go to the bathroom she's right on my heels.

     

    One of my major goals i want to achieve with her is getting her to have a job of some sort around here.... something like help relocate ducks and goats to different areas. i know thats probably an over the top impossible aspiration... but she IS a shepherd and she does have her instincts.. i just want to make sure its a herding instinct and not a hunting drive. with the bulldogs i KNOW what they've got on their mind when they focus and fixate on something. but she's a different animal compared to them. the shepherds we had when i was a kid were all pets. and one in particular was a small animal killer. When my mom brought her home she was about the same age as this one.. came from an oops litter  from a friend. (her mom was a purebred and her dad was collie/chow).. and these puppies were just a nuisance and no one spent any time with them so they gave them all away..  i was only six years old when we got her and was still learning to read and write. no one else cared about training her and i couldnt do much so she did her own thing Stick out tongue however i give credit to Sandy for making me want to learn how to train dogs. and she WAS a great dog for protecting us and our property.. and that of the neighbours. she even guarded the neighbours kids from strangers and strays. one of her puppies i managed to train to do all kinds of neat tricks all by myself  with help from the elementary school library dog books... but that was several years later. the of course being a low income family my mom decided he was too expensive to feed so she gave him away when i was at my dads for the weekend.... some guy got a very well trained puppy to be sure!! but i was pissed that my hard work went out the window..

     

    anyway i know my mistakes from the past with Sandy.. and my husbands with his own dog.... they should be easy to avoid and like you said its just time and patience and consistency..

    i do look forward to the challenge though! this is uncharted territory for me..... working with a dog thats learned all the bad habit.. 

    • Gold Top Dog

    one thing you have to be careful of with these super-smart velcro herding dogs is to NOT accidentally reward bad behavior with attention- they love attention, and even being yelled at is attention and better than being ignored. Try to be more pro-active: for example, instead of ignoring her until she puts her feet up on top of the baby gate, try to notice when she's NOT doing that and reward, praise perhaps, maybe toss a morsel to her.

    You can't expect her to know what "drop it" or "leave it" means unless you teach her what it means. Yelling incomprehensible commands and then chasing her is big reward for a GSD pup. Fun fun fun.

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    Boundary Issues- Have you tried positioning the gate higher up? I lock mine in a couple of inches above the ground instead of flush with the ground. Just far up enough that they cant weasel underneath. How about putting a squirt bottle on the counter where you cook and giving her a shot with it when she puts her paws up? Or having a bowl of treats so when you tell her to get down she gets a treat? Also keep in mind that she might be confused if you use sit-down, lay down, and get down. I use "off" for getting off the bed, couch or anything else. Also just a side note.....I use "Rory's bed or Primo's bed" so for example their beds are in the living room. If I'm cooking in the kitchen and want them out of my way instead of using, out, move or go I completely remove them from the room saying "Rory's bed" so they dont have a choice to decide how far out of my way they want to go. They know if they wait there long enough I'll bring a treat.

    Carpet Clawing-This might be a factor in why she gets anxious about being in the same room as you. You mentioned she goes from window to window when you go outside and sometimes displays charachterisitics of SA even though she has none. I could be way off but dont rule it out. She is seeing it as a punishment and dosnt know why. Maybe to help your son feel like he has better control and that he dosnt have to trick the dogs into being locked in you could teach him its ok to give the dogs time-outs on theri beds with the use of treats or toys. This would also help teh dogs know to listen to him and get him more involved. For example if the dog is doing something he dosnt like he could grab a treat, lead her to her bed, give her the down and make her stay. Time-outs are much different then punishments! I know it dosnt help the carpet clawing much but if you remove the reason she does this then she wont have to get in trouble for it.

    Stay- Have someone else practice exiting a door and you stay inside with her to help her reinfoce her stay. In conjunction with this have a friend or family member knock on the door while one is inside with her to keep her in a stay. Then you could practice opening the door and greeting the pretend visitor as she stays. Then she'll learn respect for the door regardless of the circumstance.

    Get Down/Food- Ha ha, I taught Rory and Primo to respect food in a way that made me feel bad but it worked. It just so happens our dinign table is right next to the sliding glass door to go outside. Everytime it was dinner time I would immediately put her outside so she or he could watch us eat. I felt so bad, they would give the saddest eyes but I wouldnt let them back in until we were all done and had cleared the table. After several months I would let her and him in and put their bed a good 10-15 feet from the table, if they got up once during our meal time it was outside they went! I also don't feed my dogs dinner until I have eaten.

    Leave It- After reading and responding to a lot of this it sounds as if "stay" should be your first priority. When all else fails I make Rory and Primo "sit/stay". Its strange how when keep away games ensue they don't wanna come but are more willing to sit/stay, LOL. That might just be my goofy dogs but I use sit/stay for a lot of emergencies!

    Snapping at food- Again, this pups has gotta learn stay. I inadvertently use a hand signal with stay, its the stop sign hand signal, LOL and if either dog seems overzealous with treat taking I will offer the treat with one hand, if they try to go at it too fast I pull it back and put my stop hand right smack infront of their nose which immedialty makes them recoil. I then offer it again slowly using the "gentle" command and they got it down pretty fast what gentle means and only need reminding sometimes.

    I don't crate train either but I do use their indvidual beds as their safe place. Each of my dogs have respect for eachothers beds and I am sure to let visitors know that if they retreat to their beds to leave them be. Obviously they are not possessive of their beds but that is where all their treats get doled out and where they go for time outs. When someone knocks on the door-it to their beds, when we eat sit down to eat-its to their beds, anytime I need them to settle down-its to their beds and they do it willingly becasue I have made it a safe and rewarding place to be. If we have a lot of company over its great becasue they can still be part of the action but in their safe place. Its when they act up that they are removed to outside so they actually have a choice. I also make a point every couple of days to chill on their beds with them so they know they get company on their and not to be possesive. I think the best way to bring all this together is a fun exercise that teaches them patience, gentle and to love their beds is that when I feed them their super yummy treats like bully sticks or cow hooves I will make them go to their beds and then walk by them with their treats. I set it on the ottoman right infornt of me and go on with my business for anywhere from 2-8 minutes. Oh man they are drooling but neither of them get it until they are completeyl calm. Rory will let out a cry every so often , LOL but I dont even respond, I just ignore her. Unless she gets up that is, then I dont reprimand her I just calmy walk her back to her bed.

    I hope some of this helps or at least gives you ideas. Oh puppyhood, I forget how much trouble it is!

    • Gold Top Dog

    I could almost, mind you almost laugh. But I won't.

    You need to find her "thing". When you do it will be the biggest tool in your tool box. For Kord I can use anything that flies and he can chase, balls, ropes, tugs, frisbee's and the like. If you find whatever it is, and I think your son is on to something (throwing the ball to get her attention??, good lad) you can use it just like he did, her attention. 

    Un healthy treats are good too, he learned high 5 and down low in 15 min on White Castle french fries, yeah I know bad owner. Hot dogs are good, split and quartered and nuked for a second or 2. I would get her to take the food from you with a nice and or gentle command. If the teeth get a little hard ignore it, but don't give the food until she takes it nicely.

    To me leave it and drop it are 2 different things.

    Get down can be confusing with (lay) down, have you thought of using the word OFF?

    And unless it would cause some kind of issue's, there is nothing in the rule book that says you cannot attach a leash to her little behind for quick grabs, correction or a 5 min training session. Kord wore his in the house until he was about 6 months old.

    Good luck!