Jumping..

    • Gold Top Dog

    Jumping..

    What are the veterans doing to wean away this behaviour? I love my puppy dearly but his consistent

    wild jumping is growing tiresome and I can't permit him to jump on children and scratch/knock them over.

    Any suggestions would be appreciated, thanks!

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    With my own, I never allow it, even as pups.  It doesn't become an issue for us because it was never ok to do.

    With the fosters, before they've been worked with much and understand some basics, they drag a lead which I step on before they can jump.  At the same time, I offer the SIT command.  If I am trying to work with them alone and they insist on jumping on me, I simply turn my back and walk away.

    Have you taken him to any obedience classes?  Sometimes that's just the ticket to teaching YOU how to teach him what you want.

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    Some dogs just get so excited they can't control themselves.  What we need to do is to teach them some self control.  The dog doesn't get what he wants until we get what we want.

    Glenda's advice to keep a leash on the dog is excellent.  Others advise turning away from the dog when he tries to jump, but some dogs see this as part of the game and get even more excited.

    Teach the dog a firm sit.  When he is sitting nice, and only when he is sitting nicely, does he get the attention he wants.

    We taught Odie to jump on us ONLY by command.

    • Bronze

    Something you can try that has had a lot of success is folding your arms, turning away from the dog and not looking at him or saying a word. Eventually he'll calm down, then you can ask him to sit, then treat and lavish raise on him. If he tries to jump again, you continue doing this until he gets that sitting and being calm gets him attention, while jumping doesn't. Another way to do it is to work with another person; bring the dog in on a leash over to the other person; if he jumps, you silently walk him out of the room - where he can't see the other person and stay there for about 20 seconds. Continue doing this and within a short while he should stop jumping. Whenever he greets the person without jumping, have them ask him to sit then when he does, have them treat and praise him. It can sometimes take 20-30 times, depending on how excited the dog gets when greeting someone, but it does work. The trick is to let the dog calm himself down, then get him to sit so you can reinforce this positive behavior with treats and praise. eventually you can phase out the treats, but always give praise, even if it's just a quiet 'good dog'.

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     I have a video of a professional teaching a client to teach her dog not to jump

    Video

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     Just to add, I might be way off the mark here, but that clip probably comes from a programme which states at the beginning and periodically throughout: "DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME".  So not sure how helpful that will be and you really don;t need a professional to assist you with a simple, common problem like jumping up.

    Do you have any baby gates?  What I advise is that you IGNORE the dog, not only when he is jumping up, but any time he is highly excited and likely to begin jumping.  When he is calm, and has four-on-the-floor - THEN calmly praise and pet him.  If his jumping is a problem because there are children in the room, or guests or what have you, lead him very quietly and calmly away to a safe spot behind a baby gate and let him calm down.  Try again when he is calm and repeat if necessary.  Your reactions must be immediate, consistent and calm.

    Implement NILIF (Nothing In Life Is Free, or Learn to Earn).  First the dog needs to know a simple cue like sit or down and needs to know it well and be fairly reliable.  Ask him to sit or down before he gets ANYTHING, not just petting.  Meals, treats, attention, doors opened, lead put on, toy thrown.... anything you can think of bar fresh drinking water, which he should have free access to.  Smart dogs will eventually generalise "If I want soemthing, I get it if I sit calmly".  Its much nicer to have your dog "ask" you for stuff "politely" rather than bodyslamming you Smile

    • Bronze

    Another tool to use is to raise your knee every time that the dog jumps--that way, the dog is punishing itself by jumping into your knee... Karen
    • Puppy

     This is a never fail humane method....when your dog jumps up...hold the front paws & don't let him jump down. After a short time it becomes uncomfortable & they really want to get down, but holding them up for a short time followed by the command "Down"when you release the front feet will soon register that this isn't a plesant thing to do. No a shock collor won't work...it is only for barking plus in this situation your dog would become afraid of you. Another version is to hold on to feet saying "down" while gently stepping on the hind feet...both work great...good luck & many happy years with your dog.

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    IMO, neither holding their paws or stepping on their feet is 'humane'...there are much more positive methods that work - and quickly. First off, both methods suggested give attention (albeit bad attention) to the dog; also the second method could harm the dog as many poeple won't know how to 'gently' step on a dog's foot...and why would anyone want to do that to begin with? And if one uses the word 'down' to mean lie down, using it for this wouldnt' work...it would simply confuse the dog. I see by the links in your posts that you promote Daniel Stevens methods...is that beacuse you're him or because you're one of the many peopel who have bought into his website gig?

    A better, more humane, and relaible way is this (you'll need a person who Buddy jumps on to do this) - While he's on his leash, walk into the room where the person he'll jump on is. As soon as he jumps up, take him out of the room - without looking at him or saying one word. After 20-30 seconds bring him in again...every time he jumps up, take him back out of the room for 20-30 seconds, again without looking at him or saying one word. Eventually he's going to come into the room and *not* jump; when he does this have the other person ask him to sit, and when he does, praise him and give him a treat. And yes, it may take quite a number of repetitions; you'll notice that each time you bring him in he's less exuberant about jumping - that's because he's learning he gets no attention and gets taken away from people when he does jump. Dogs aren't stupid; we simply have to learn to communicate in *their* language.

    When people come into the house, if he jumps they need to fold their arms and turn away, without looking at him or saying one word. They mustn't pay any attention to him and not pet him while he's jumping. Leave some treats close by the door to give your guests when they come over; each time he sits they'll praise him and give him a treat. Eventually he'll learn that sitting means he gets attention and praise - and maybe a treat.

     

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    Chuffy
    you really don;t need a professional to assist you with a simple, common problem like jumping up.

     

    Exactly, is so easy that he can do it himself just like in the video, the "dont try this at home" is more for when they work with aggressive dogs which is not the case here 

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    winingteam

     This is a never fail humane method....when your dog jumps up...hold the front paws & don't let him jump down. After a short time it becomes uncomfortable & they really want to get down, but holding them up for a short time followed by the command "Down"when you release the front feet will soon register that this isn't a plesant thing to do. No a shock collor won't work...it is only for barking plus in this situation your dog would become afraid of you. Another version is to hold on to feet saying "down" while gently stepping on the hind feet...both work great...good luck & many happy years with your dog.

     

    Actually that method fails quite frequently.  It's the method I used to use and I've seen it fail on Goldens, BCs, Dobies, Pitties, and GSDs.

    I prefer the ignore, walk out of the room and return again method for established jumpers.  Also for reference, check the jumping/nipping thread in this section. 

    • Bronze

    Chuffy, I believe you're correct about the 'don't try this at home'...it appears that all of Cesar's methods use that disclaimer, even for non-aggressive dogs...is it because they're dangerous for a non-trainer to use, or because he wants to get more people to hire him? The more I see of his methods, the more I wouldn't recommend him to anyone. It looked like he was giving the dog a pinch with his hand in the video. Even if he was only touching him, he's getting the dog to not enjoy being touched there...and the leg push is another no-no, IMO...there's no need for it. Just as there's no need to knee a dog in the chest when they jump up...all that's doing is giving the dog attention...he has no idea that one isn't playing when they do that, especially as it's supposed to be a gentle nudge. If it wasn't a gentle nudge then it would hurt, and who would want to hurt their dog? Ignoring the behavior works much better, as does isolating the dog when he jumps for 20-30 seconds. We do this with misbehaving kids and they learn it; so does a dog. I prefer the methods of Paul Owens, the original Dog Whispherer.

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    winingteam

     This is a never fail humane method....when your dog jumps up...hold the front paws & don't let him jump down. After a short time it becomes uncomfortable & they really want to get down, but holding them up for a short time followed by the command "Down"when you release the front feet will soon register that this isn't a plesant thing to do. No a shock collor won't work...it is only for barking plus in this situation your dog would become afraid of you. Another version is to hold on to feet saying "down" while gently stepping on the hind feet...both work great...good luck & many happy years with your dog.

     

    I have to disagree.  First of all, there is never a need to get physical with a dog to teach him to greet you properly.  Secondly, this method will cause some dogs to become aggressive.  Thirdly, the cue "down" should be reserved for asking the dog to lie down if that is what you have taught him to do on that command.  To ask him to perform another behavior using the word "down" will simply confuse him.  Stepping on his hind feet or kneeing him in the chest is abusive, silly, and does not work.  What it does do is convince your dog that you are unpleasant.

    http://www.clickerlessons.com/jumpingup.htm

     

    By the way, if the live links in your siggie are to a site that provides you with personal gain, then they are probably not allowed on the forum.
    Best to check with a moderator to see if they are ok. 

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    RaceProfessor
    Any suggestions would be appreciated, thanks!

     

    I learned the hard way to never let this behavior get started, as glenmar mentioned. Then you don't have to wean it away. Unfortunately, I (and my husband) did allow it with one of our dogs (he was so cute and his touch was so gentle!) and so then, we faced the same problem.  

    I'm not a "veteran", I don't think, but I have been successful in teaching Jaia to stop jumping. I basically used a combination of techniques. Some on the video that espencer posted, others just common sense. I had to notice the dog's energy and use mine to calm him. There are certain situations in which Jaia would jump: On my arrival home, when I got his leash and when I put my shoes on. So, when I begin any of these tasks, I made sure to watch him carefully and gauge his excitement level and stop him when the excitement started to escalate, before he reached the point of jumping. Way before.

    Jaia does know sit very well and so I used that, too. I would use a verbal correction ("eh-eh" or "tssst" or whatever) and have him sit. Then I proceed with the task. If he starts again, I stop. Since this behavior was pretty strong, it took some time for him to "get" that the jumping was just not getting what he wanted, in fact, it was slowing progress. When he realized that he could "make" me move faster by sitting still, then we had it.

    Depending on what "makes" your dog jump, you can have him sit before you do it. I realized that I should never give the dog what he's jumping for until he stops jumping. In other words, don't try to "catch him" and hold him while you're putting on his leash (like I did). Make HIM use the self-control to get you to put his leash on.

    So, my advice is to be aware of the situations in which he jumps and watch his energy level as you move into those situations. As soon as you see ANY indication that he's becoming excited, stop that escalation. If he's never allowed to reach that level of excitement, he won't jump. Be patient and consistent. Smile

    Your dog is a handsome guy!