Reintroducing a dog to the pack

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    Reintroducing a dog to the pack

    I have a rescue dog, Gandolf, now about 3 1/2 years old, male, german shepherd mix.  He is dog aggressive and has shown aggression to humans (he has nipped at several house guests, and bit a neighbor in an electric wheelchair who was passing by in the alley).  We have done obediance training with him, had private training with a trainer who works mostly with shepherds, done grumpy growler classes, and consulted with a behaviorist.  Everyone has said we have a management issue, and that we need to practice good leadership skills/rules ("nothing in life is free" type rules), which we do diligently.  He gets exercise often - I run with him and my husband takes him on a bicycle we have set up for him to run next to.  We use a gentle leader and he walks nicely on a leash (no pulling, no lunging at other dogs, etc.).  The behaviorist labeled his aggression as dominance aggression, and he definitely would take over if we relaxed the rules.  We are very careful with him when we have anyone in the house - he usually wears a muzzle.  With other dogs, he is unpredictable, and we only let him meet new dogs if he is wearing a muzzle and is leashed and obeying our commands.
     
    Anyway, I recently saw a book by a man named Cesar Millan who has a dog camp in the LA area, and I believe he claims he can rehabilitate almost any aggressive dog.  I don't know too much about him, or his techniques, other than that he advocates a leadership model.  I read a brief section of his book that indicated that he solved one dog's aggression issues by training the humans to act as leaders, and then by reintroducing the dog to a pack of dogs he has at his camp, so she could learn acceptable dog behavior from them.  Apparently, this  dog started a scuffle, but he made the dog lie on its size (by force?, by what method, I don't know), and let the other dogs sniff her.  He apparently kept reintroducing her slowly to the pack and by the end of a month or so, she was getting along with all the dogs, and showed no aggression.  Is this mainstream thinking on aggression, or kind of crazy?  I don't know if he had the dog muzzled, or??? Anybody know how it works, or have an opinion about it?
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    Welcome to idog.

    I personally don't hold much stock with CM.  You'll go much further being a benevolent leader than by using force, as he does.
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    I didn't realize CM was a force type trainer.  Positive training seems to work better for Gandolf, although when we first got him, I don't think we were very good about making it clear to him when he did something wrong.  One trainer we worked with used a pinch collar on Gandolf and that I think that amplified his aggressive tendencies (we don't use a collar like that now).
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    CM actually used the new illusion collar on that dog.  It is a combination of strangulation and alpha rolling he used to summit this dog to his pack.  This is complicated behavior modification. 
     
    I would not consider this mainstream thinking any more.  They are kind of old school ideas.  Sometimes they are necessary, but not normally. 
     
    The effects of the pack do wear off. As soon as the dog gets back into his home environment the bad habits come rushing back.
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    A prong collar is not an effective tool when dealing with aggression.  It can actually stimulate the dog and elevate the aggression.
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    What kind of equipment does your own behaviorist advocate and what made him/her label this as dominance aggression?  The reason I ask is that up to 80% of aggression is based in fear.  The good news is that both kinds respond to benevolent leadership on the part of the humans.
    Aggression never completely goes away - it is always a management issue.
    If you are interested in learning more, my recommended reading includes:
    "Aggression in Dogs" by Brenda Aloff
    "The Canine Aggression Workbook" by James O'Heare
    "Click to Calm" by Emma Parsons
    "How to Right a Dog Gone Wrong" by Pamela Dennison
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    The behaviorist we saw said his aggression for humans was "territorial," and for dogs it was "dominance."  This was based on our description of incidents and her observations of him.  She suggests the gentle leader, which we use, and clicking and treating calm behaviors. 
     
    And thanks for the book recommendations - I'll check into those.