Shocked and ashamed

    • Puppy

    Shocked and ashamed

    I have a two-year-old blue Great Dane. He was neutered at about 7 months old. He's a very sweet dog, great with our five-year-old son, and good with our other dog, a 4-year-old Shepherd mix (also male). He does play rough with our other dog and he's still very much a puppy--gets hyper and very excited when we get visitors at the house.

    We really focused on socializing him as a puppy and have walked him in many crowded places, where he draws constant attention (and petting). He was a little wary of men as a puppy and isn't 100% great with other dogs. He does go to doggy day care and has never had a problem, but he fence fights with a pitbull next door and has lunged at dogs on the sidewalk while leashed and walking on two occasions. But generally he's a good boy. He's always been excellent with kids, very aware of his size.

    We don't have a lot of visitors over to our house and because of his size (150 lbs.) and energy level, he often gets put away or kept in another room when we have people visit, depending upon their comfort level with big dogs. 

    My partner's stepmother arrived today for a visit. When they got home from the airport, she decided to take a nap. At the time the dogs were outside. We let the dogs into our den (which is gated off) while the stepmom napped. After a couple of hours she woke up. My partner and I were in the office when she came downstairs. The gate to the den is right next to the office (she had to walk past the gate to get to us). I don't recall if we said much to her when she came downstairs, which is only a short hallway from the office. Anyway, she was walking down the hallway to the office and the dogs realized she was here (likely for the first time), and they both ran to the gate and jumped up on it, freaking out with excitement. No barking, no growling...both of them wagging their tails and going nuts trying to get to her. From my vantage point in the office, all I saw was that she raised her arm (not sure if she was going to try and pet them or what), but then I heard her tell the Dane that "that's not nice" and she informed us that he'd bitten her. Indeed, she had a couple puncture marks and started to bleed.

    I am completely shocked. I don't feel like he was being aggressive, necessarily, because his body language conveyed more high excitement. I do wonder if part of the problem is that she suddenly "appeared" in the house...there was no coming in through the front door, just all of a sudden here this stranger is (she visits about once a year and has met him twice before) walking down the hallway. We didn't introduce them or manage the greeting at all. Usually when we have visitors we try to have them greet the dogs one at a time, because they are just too overwhelming when they're together. The stepmother is blowing it off, saying it's not a big deal, that "he was just trying to hold onto her", though she also said he was "just trying to protect [us]". 

    It's not okay with me. I'm just floored, as he has never shown any signs of biting before this. He wasn't even a mouthy puppy. He has never been mouthy, even playfully. I'm not sure how to interpret this, or how to feel. Not sure if I should be worried about him, or if he was acting within his instincts, not motivated by aggression. After the bite, my partner stood in front of the gate and told him to sit/calm down, and at that point he stuck his head over the gate and the stepmom was able to pet him. No growling, tail wagging.

    What do you guys think? Do I have a problem on my hands? My (elderly) parents are visiting next week and I'm pretty sure I don't want him around them at all. In the past we've limited their exposure to him just because he's big and rambunctious and they're not all that comfortable with dogs...but I don't want to see this dog as something bad if he's really not.

    I'm just super confused.

    • Gold Top Dog

    From what you said, my take on it is that it was more of a puppy mouthing than an actual bite.  Still not something you want to have happen, tho, especially with a dog his size.  I'd just keep an extra close eye on him for a couple of reasons- #1 you need to make absolutely certain that isn't aggression, and #2 you need to be able to catch him doing it so you can teach him not to ("popping" a toy in his mouth works wonders).

    • Gold Top Dog
    A crate would keep everyone safe, and the dog(s) can come out after the initial excitement of arrival has fizzled out. I would also train him to a basket muzzle, this us a useful skill for any dog :-)
    • Gold Top Dog

    Puppies teeth and mouth. My dog is a big dog, too. And when we would play in the yard, running around each other, he grazed me a couple of times. We both zig or zag at the same time and his mouth is open so he can breath and I get toothed. Not a bite or a desire to protect. Just an accident of motion. But a lot of people could interpret such an event as a bite. But you can train a dog to not interact with humans with their mouths. That would reduce the likelihood of this event from happening again.

    You say your dog is two years old, which is considered adult, even for large and giant breed, such as a Great Dane. More than likely, it was an accident of play or his intent was not aggressive. It is something he could do with another dog and not bring consternation but other dogs have tougher hides than humans.

    • Gold Top Dog

    DoggoneIt
    they both ran to the gate and jumped up on it, freaking out with excitement. No barking, no growling...both of them wagging their tails and going nuts trying to get to her.

     

    So let's say that you want go to a restaurant and want to meet the chef who prepared your delicious dinner. You are taken to the kitchen where the chef has just been told got the "chef of the year award". The chef has a huge kitchen knife in his hand and is jumping around out in excitement. Would you still get closer to say hi? Or would you wait for him to calm down first to avoid any accidents?

    Excitement at this level comes with lack of control on the dog's body movements. Maybe your dog wanted to smell her hand and jump down at the same time. Maybe your dog's mouth and her hand met each other while he was jumping, etc.

    It never hurts if your dogs know how to greet properly a guest that has just arrived but also your stepmother should have never reach to and overly excited dog because that promotes the excitement and nurtures the behavior by paying attention to it.

    It was just an accident and i dont think that you should be worried about your dog getting "aggressive". When you get guests in the future they should ignore your dogs 100% first, they should not even look at your dogs, just like pretending they are not there. Meeting dogs does not mean guests must reach out to them and pet them. If they let your dogs to only smell the guests thats already a proper meeting ritual for your dogs. Is the human need of talking to the dogs and touch them that makes the humans think they havent met the dogs until they do it that way.