crate training problems?

    • Bronze

    crate training problems?

    Hi, we have a ten week old Rotty/Newfie mix. Her name is Sophie. We've had her for about 3 weeks now and she's up to date on shots and everything. When we first got her we took her to the vet right away because we noticed that she had a very large and bloated belly. She didn't look like that when we first bought her from the rescue shelter. We suspected worms, and due to the fact that we couldn't collect a stool sample in time for the vet, the vet extracted a very small amount on site. The vet then reported that she didn't have worms or any infection. we took her home and she would go poop and pee all over our house. We would put her in her crate overnight, and she would cry and bark in there all night. We would wake up to a crate filled with poop and pee. Her belly was still very large, and her poop still very loose, so we bought her some WormX Plus from PetSmart, convinced that roundworms was her problem.

    We gave her some on friday night, and the next day her bloated tummy was gone. Her poop has started to look a little more solid, but she keeps going potty in her crate at night, and in the house, especially peeing by her food during the day? is that very odd behavior? don't animals not want to go the the bathroom by their food and bed? We've been potty training her outside by giving her treats everytime she goes outside, but it hasn't been working. What else can we do?

    • Gold Top Dog

    Put her crate where YOU sleep at night.  She's used to being around a lot of other critters and I'm sure that she's lonely and afraid.

    Anytime you can't give her your FULL attention, she should be crated with very regular potty breaks or at the very least leashed to you on a very short lead so that you KNOW when she starts moving, which is often a sign of needing to "go".  At this age, she can be expected to "hold it" for about 3 hours max.  She'll need a potty break any time she plays hard, runs, eats, wakes, etc, etc, etc.

    If she is 10 weeks old now, you must have brought her home around 7 weeks?  This is VERY young and of course I don't know if she was still with momma and her litter at the shelter, but, ideally, they get to stay with their litter mates until at LEAST 8-9 weeks.

    She is very much still an infant with very little elimination control, so you HAVE to provide more opportunites than it would seem like she could possibly need.  It helps to have a key phrase.....I use "outside and go potty" (I learned to add the OUTSIDE when I had a foster litter who would squat on command before they were outside!!)  I have always taught pups to potty first and then we get a play time so that going outside to potty isn't just a chore, but a FUN time.

    Unfortunately, often pups who have grown up in a shelter don't have the one on one and opportunities to develop good potty habits....they go when they need to go, wherever they are.  This takes some serious time and attention to overcome, but you CAN do it.  And it all starts with really close attention to her habits...when she goes and what the circumstances are (ie: after playing) so that you can avoid in the house accidents.  Don't give her freedom to make mistakes....they become habit forming.  You REALLY need to be right on top of her for now.

    When I have a litter, I always have an old towel (or a dozen) right at hand so that IF they start to potty in the house, I can scoop them up and run them outside without getting peed on.  And don't scold.....just a gentle "eh eh, we go OUTSIDE to GO POTTY" and then get her there FAST.  And when she suceeds have a potty party!!  HUGE praise, treats if you want, but the major heavy duty praise is really important.

    We have a trainer here (spiritdogs) who has a really good potty training handout she gives to her puppy classes and hopefully she'll post that for you.

    Thank you for rescuing this baby.  Remember the dog owners mantra.....this too shall pass!  Oh, and it wouldn't hurt to have her checked for a UTI.

    • Gold Top Dog

    James -- do you realize you have to take a 10 week old dog "out" SEVERAL times during the night??  If they have to potty they WILL potty wherever they are -- and it's MONTHS before they can "hold it" all night long   Most dogs don't sleep thru the night til they are ... gee, maybe 4-5 months old??  Some dogs longer than that. 

    The deal is you have to get up and take them out when you hear them up and rustling around (hence Glenda saying put the crate by your bed!!) 

    • Gold Top Dog

    Not only so they will hear the pup, but also so the pup doesn't feel so isolated.

    Spiritdogs has an emergency with one of her own dogs so not much chance that she will be posting tonight. 

     

    • Gold Top Dog

     I agree with Glenda.

    Take them out ALOT I mean a ridiculous amount. you ate, lets go outside! you played, lets go outside!! all of the time!!  

    I also agree of having the crate in the bedroom with you, Zoey's crate was always right next to my bed, so that if she cried I took her out. but take her out and thats it, no play time etc. Do you business then it's back to bed. They'll learn that it will get them out to go potty and nothing else, so crying to get out and play etc, won't work. and it's tough, but its something they have to learn.