Do Two Dogs Go Native?

    • Gold Top Dog

    Do Two Dogs Go Native?

    Whenever I see a news article about a child or person being attacked by a dog, the first common denominator is that the owner of the 'attack' dog has left the dog unsupervised in a situation that it shouldnt be in.  Gone out for two seconds to have a cigarette, left grandma in charge etc etc.  Baby tries to grab dogs bone + no supervision = potential tragecy.  I think we all know and understand that lesson and try our damndest to stop that happening to our dogs and family.

    I am interested more in the next common denominator however.  With some exceptions (of course), and I am going by media reports which arent necessarily representative or trustworthy, but these cases more often than not seem to involve more than one dog.  Not necessarily multi dogs doing the attacking, but so often it is a multi-dog household.  Is this coincidence, or my misreading? Or do dogs in multi dog households tend to 'get wild' more than they would if they were on their own?  Dogs can wind each other up and cause exponential amounts of mayhem in pairs or triples, so is it possible that they behave more like wild animals when they remember that they are animals instead of thinking they are humans like one dog in a pack of humans might? 

     And if so is the obvious conclusion that if you have vulnerable persons in the household then given the choice you might want to stick to one dog at most (if not none for zero risk of course).

    Im not making any judgements, I have no ulterior motive, Im just a person with one dog and vulnerable humans in the house thinking about getting another dog, havent had multi dogs before,  and am a bit scared.  Smile

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    No need to be afraid.  Neuter your dogs, socialize your dogs, don't live in California , don't let young boys near the dogs, and stay away from Doxies.


    Fatal Dog Attack Statistics in the U.S.

    Here are the statistics of fatal dog attacks which were taken from the book "Fatal Dog Attacks".

    "FATAL DOG ATTACKS"
    The Stories Behind the Statistics
    by Karen Delise

    THE STATISTICS - FATAL DOG ATTACKS IN THE U.S. FROM 1965 - 2001 *

    The study covers 431 documented human fatalities from a dog attack.

    Location of Attack
    25% of all fatal attacks were inflicted by chained dogs
    25% resulted from dogs loose in their yard
    23% occurred inside the home
    17% resulted from attacks by dogs roaming off their property
    10% involved leashed dogs or miscellaneous circumstances

    Number of Dogs
    68% of all fatal attacks were inflicted by a single dog
    32% was the result of a multiple dog attack

    Victim Profile
    79% of all fatal attacks were on children under the age of 12
    12% of the victims were the elderly, aged 65 - 94
    9% of the victims were 13 - 64 years old

    The age group with the highest number of fatalities were children under the age of 1 year old; accounting for 19% of the deaths due to dog attack. Over 95% of these fatalities occurred when an infant was left unsupervised with a dog(s).

    The age group with the second-highest number of fatalities were 2-year-olds; accounting for 11% of the fatalities due to dog attack. Over 87% of these fatalities occurred when the 2-year-old child was left unsupervised with a dog(s) or the child wandered off to the location of the dog(s).

    Boys aged 1 - 12 years old were 2.5 times more likely to be the victim of a fatal dog attack than girls of the same age.

    Breeds Involved
    Pit Bull and Pit-bull-type dogs (21%), Mixed breed dogs (16%),
    Rottweilers (13%), German Shepherd Dogs (9%), Wolf Dogs (5%),
    Siberian Huskies (5%), Malamutes (4%), Great Danes (3%),
    St. Bernards (3%), Chow Chows (3%), Doberman Pinschers (3%),
    other breeds & non-specified breeds (15%).

    Reproductive Status of Dogs
    Overwhelmingly, the dogs involved in fatal dog attacks were unaltered males.
    From 2000-2001 there were 41 fatal dog attacks. Of these, 28 were attacks by a single dog and 13 fatalities were caused by multiple dogs.

    Of the 28 single dogs responsible for a fatal attack between 2000-2001;
    26 were males and 2 were females. Of the 26 males, 21 were found to be intact (the reproductive status of the remaining 5 males dogs could not be determined).

    States with the Most Fatalities - 1965-2001
    California, 47; Texas, 32; Alaska, 26; Florida, 22; New York, 19; Michigan, 18; Illinois, 18; North Carolina, 17; Georgia, 16.

    While at times informative, statistics on fatal dog attacks can also be misleading. For example, a number of cases were a Pit Bull, Rottweiler or GSD were counted as causing a human fatality were in reality the direct result of gross human negligence or criminal intent (i.e. discarding a newborn in the yard where the dogs were kept, or cases of extremely emaciated animals, or cases were the dog was ordered or encouraged to attack the victim).

    This study was conducted not to determine which breeds of dogs caused fatalities, but rather to examine the circumstances and events that precipitated an attack. Knowing how many Pit Bulls or Rottweilers caused a human fatality has little applicable value, only when examining each case individually can we hope to gain insight into the HUMAN and CANINE behaviors that contributed to these tragic events.

    The preceding information and statistics are excerpts from the book:
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    Kasy von Waldlichtung (4-11-89 to 8-22-98)
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    These are only the fatals, not the attacks.  Little dogs are more apt to bite, but do less damage.  Two big dogs attacking will do lots of damage.
     
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    • Gold Top Dog

    I read an interesting little book a few years back about dog bites and the statistics that people use and misuse.  The name of it was "Dogs Bite but Balloons and Slippers Are More Dangerous".  It pretty much convinced me what I mostly knew; to believe what I know, not what the media tells me about dogs and dog attacks.  If you consider the hundreds of thousands of dog/human interactions and how rare a serious attack is, it's not something I would worry about unless I knew a particular dog had serious behavior problems. 

    I've seen, among my own dogs, that sometimes one will get ramped up over something and the others will join in the barking or chasing of squirrels.  They still retain their own basic natures and a well socialized dog won't attack to kill or even seriously hurt another dog or person unless in fear for their life. 

    • Gold Top Dog

    I don't think "multi dog household" is the key -- what IS the key is whether or not the dogs have formed a humans-excluded pack.  If they are then not supervised and have solidified a pack mentality and have no other forces to make them accountable then it doesn't matter whether they live in a structure or not.  A dog that isn't supervised and isn't kept accountable to it's humans can gradually become feral -- whether it IS feral and "living on the street" or in the woods, OR if it happens to have a place to crash at night but no human is actually making it bond with humans and making it accountable to certain standards of behavior.

    This is all a great big huge glittering generality -- but it takes more than a Multi-dog household to make a dog wild. 

    Somehow I fail to be able to envision Tink and Billy standing on top of their "kill" after bringing down a wild caribou (or a neighbor's or or the neighbor himself) simply because it ain't gonna happen because I don't let it.

    Does that make more sense?

    • Gold Top Dog

    These are all fantastic answers, thank you Yes

    Of course to prove or disprove the notion we would also need to know how many households are single or multi dog. If for extreme example only 2% of households were multidog then 38% of attacks would start to look more significant.

     Whats with california?  Big Smile

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    YellowOx

    That is a fantastic answer, thank you Yes

    Of course to prove or disprove the notion we would also need to know how many households are single or multi dog. If for extreme example only 2% of households were multidog then 38% of attacks would start to look more significant.

     Whats with california?  Big Smile

     

     Large state, large population, many dogs, many crazy people who think they know dogs but don't.  Many of us are waiting for the big earth quake when Arizona becomes an ocean front state.(Unless you bought land in Arizona, this is a joke)

    The size if the state bends the statistics.

    • Gold Top Dog

    For completeness I found stats on US dog ownership for 2009

     Dogs

    • There are approximately 77.5 million owned dogs in the United States
    • Thirty-nine percent of U.S. households own at least one dog
    • Most owners (67 percent) own one dog
    • Twenty-four percent of owners own two dogs
    • Nine percent of owners own three or more dogs
    • On average, owners have almost two dogs (1.7)
    • The proportion of male to female dogs is even
    • Nineteen percent of owned dogs were adopted from an animal shelter
    • On average, dog owners spent $225 on veterinary visits (vaccine, well visits) annually
    • Seventy-five percent of owned dogs are spayed or neutered

    http://www.humanesociety.org/issues/pet_overpopulation/facts/pet_ownership_statistics.html