No concept of personal space anymore/whining

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    No concept of personal space anymore/whining

    Hey guys,

     

    T-Bone is NOT adjusting to me having a job, at all. It's getting sort of ridiculous. I usually put him out while I get dressed, otherwise he's all over me, in the way, etc. If I let him back inside while still in PJs, he'll come in. If he sees I have on work clothes, he lays down outside just out of reach and cries! I thought it might be the shoes or keys he picked up on, but it isn't. I can let him in without keys in my hand and barefoot and he'll lay down just out of reach and cry! When I get home, he's on me like glue. I know he's just having a hard time adjusting,but he fusses for a good hour after I get home, crawls on me when I do pet him, etc. I tell him "off" and make him get down before I keep petting, but he just cries and acts SO upset. He'll even try to jump on my lap when I'm in the bathroom! He gets in bed and whines, shoves himself against me, stands on my hair, licks my face, just goes crazy. More than being happy to see me, he seems worried that I left. I'm going to start taking him to doggy daycare a few days out of the week, but how can I make life easier on the little guy?

     

    ETA: He's 10 months old and is used to going virtually everywhere with me. He is (well, was) crate trained but he seldom actually had to go in it. No amount of any treat will get him in the kennel willingly. I have to trick him (act like I'm getting back in bed) take his collar, and lead him in. He doesn't fight once I catch him, but he will run if he knows that's what I'm trying to do. He will not eat, drink, pay with a toy or eat on a chewy while crated. No matter what it is and how much he likes them when I'm home (like a busy bone) he just wants nothing to do with anything when crated. I guess he's too stressed out in there to care.

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     This is typical of dogs of his breed that don't get training on being left alone as puppies.  You said it yourself, he's used to going everywhere with you and having you there with him.  I would suggest you get Patricia McConnell's book "I'll Be Home Soon" and use it as a guide for his training.  Day care is great if the dog likes it, but most dogs with budding separation anxiety are not comforted by the presence of other dogs - it's YOU they want, and no other;-)  So, graduated departures and anti-SA training are important.

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    Yes, it sounds like the beginning stages of SA, and you really want to nip it in the bud before it gets worse! It doesn't surprise me that he dislikes his crate so much as well, many dogs with these symptoms get very stressed out when confined in something small like a kennel.

    Are you exercising him right before you leave, like within a half hour of leaving? And I mean real exercise, not just a walk out around the block. For a dog like T-Bone, it means fetch, or heavy running of some sort. I would do the same when I get home - as soon as you get home, nonchalantly attach the leash and just go for a walk/run/dog park run, whatever gets his motor running. You might also up his general training a little bit and increase routine so he starts to find a pattern to his day. Dogs who get upset at things like owners leaving for work often do well with a known routine, at least in the beginning - it can help produce some calm to know what is going on, and in what order.

    I would definitely start with the book that Anne recommended, and see if that helps, as you don't want to get into full-blown SA, it's ugly business.

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    Personal space?  What's that? lol

    The biggest thing I think for Nikon is developing a predictable routine, like Kim was saying.  We have a morning routine, and a "coming home" routine that I follow closely so he knows what's happening and doesn't become stressed or anxious.  When I come down from getting ready and start putting shoes on, the dogs wander into their crates b/c they know the routine.  Go in crate, get some food or treat, and I leave for the day.  When I come home (with the exception of Kenya who is nuts and always has been and always will be), the dogs are lying down in their crates b/c they know they don't come out until I see calm, controlled behavior.  We go *immediately* outside because I expect them to be stir crazy and they know that outside they are allowed to run and bark and be out of control.  Usually Nikon goes straight for a toy and I chase him around and tug for a few minutes.  If the routine varies (especially the "leaving" routine), that's when Nikon starts pacing around or whining when I leave.

    The other thing is just setting up scenarios to get the dog comfortable with you at various distances.  As expected, this was hard for Nikon. He's 18 months now and I was very impressed with him last night.  I took him to some Rally classes so I could see some friends and had him tethered in a corner outside.  He watched both classes while I wandered around, mingled, and pet other dogs. He was even approached by other dogs with careless owners.  Two and a half hours and he didn't so much as bark or whine.  Six months ago if I'd tried something like this he would have been whining, barking, pacing, and pulling on his tether the entire time.  At home I've worked this by randomly crating him or using gates.  If we've just done some training or exercise where he's ready to rest anyway, I might crate him for half hour or put him in the den behind a gate.  Sometimes I even leave the dogs outside or out on the porch in nice weather.  I've noticed that lately he will walk to another room or go outside by himself and lie down.  He still has a tendency to get up and check if he sees me getting up, but he's getting more secure and independent.  The other thing that has helped is all the training and shows we do.  He's very used to being crated in the dog van at a show, trial, or training where me and other dogs and people are constantly walking past.  Last year, he would have a fit if I came to the van and took out a different dog, or got something and left again without him.  Now he barely even lifts his head.  It just takes time and practice with a conscious effort to acclimate the dog to various scenarios.  Even the stuff I do far away at shows and training carries over to how he behaves and settles at home.

    I also try to find little ways of encouraging independence and separation.  For example, I feed the dogs outdoors by sprinkling kibble throughout the yard.  This means they spend an hour outside on their own, hunting around for food.  It's a win-win b/c it's a fun game and they get fed, but they are also subconsciously learning to be separated from me without whining or doing something naughty.

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    Kim_MacMillan
    Are you exercising him right before you leave, like within a half hour of leaving? And I mean real exercise, not just a walk out around the block. For a dog like T-Bone, it means fetch, or heavy running of some sort. I would do the same when I get home - as soon as you get home, nonchalantly attach the leash and just go for a walk/run/dog park run, whatever gets his motor running.

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    Beejou
    I tell him "off" and make him get down before I keep petting, but he just cries and acts SO upset

    Petting while in that state of mind nurtures the behavior, does not increase it or decrease it (for those ones who really dont know how this works) but keeps him in the same level of anxiety, making it very hard to extinguish.

    Avoid peting him when he is acting this way and it will be easier to work on the behavior. Just like when you reward a dog for jumping on you when you put the food bowl down, you are also "rewarding" the dog for the crying when you pet him. Pet him when he is calm and you will be rewarding that behavior instead. This is not the only thing you will need to do but at least you are not doing anything by mistake to promote it.

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