Dog Socialization/training question

    • Silver

    Dog Socialization/training question

    I am back with another question-this time about our 4 month rescue mix Maggie getting accustomed to other dogs (esp on walks). I have heard numerous times that dogs do not generalize when they are trained (so sit on carpet is going to be a separate training from sit on cement,etc). My question is: Does this apply to unknown dogs on walks? In other words, right now on walks I am working on "see dog ahead, give tiny treat" so she will come to associate strange dog=yay, reward. Does this mean that once she comes to put these two together, overall she will feel more comfortable, or does this association not apply since dogs are all different. (different scents, some calm/some hyper, some aggresive/some easygoing). If it does not apply, then is it even worthwhile to do the training this way? I also bought a clicker so I am going to try to integrate that as well. Thanks for bearing with all my questions! Also, if it makes a difference, we have a 5yr french brittany as well, and the 2 of them are best pals.

    • Gold Top Dog

    You've hit the nail, but only slightly on the head. Generalization goes even farther, and it's more complex with working on other animals than just "sit" location.

    It will also involve:  large dog, tiny dog, dog with three legs, dog with long tail, dog with no tail, dog with fluffy tail, dog with patched coat, dog with brindle coat, dog with one color coat, dog with no hair at all. Dogs with poofy hair, dogs with funny haircuts, dogs with accessories on, old dogs, young dogs, puppies, yappy dogs, growly dogs, dogs that ignore you altogether, dogs that lunge, dogs that stare, the list goes on.

    It's quite hard for dogs, in the beginning, to make the connection between "see another dog" and "receive little treat" every time. It can be done though, and it is a great cue to teach, especially for certain dogs. Not only dogs who dislike other dogs, but for dogs who love other dogs and think it's the doG-given right to greet every dog on the street, dogs with focus issues, dogs that like to bark at other dogs to play, etc. I like to teach "see another dog, look to mom", as it's a clear cue to understand and it doesn't even require a verbal cue, it's just a routine that develops.  Some helpful ways to teach this:

    - It's easiest if you can set up training sessions with one or two strange dogs (maybe dogs of friends or a trainer?), and repeat several training sessions with those two so the dog learns the general behaviour first.  Kind of like learning to sit in the house before learning to sit out of the house.
    - If you can't do that, then see if you can find somebody who walks their dog around the same time every day that you do, and try to practice with that person's dog. You can even let them know what you are doing as sometimes having them aware can help the situation out, without them having to really be involved.

    - Use a marker, like a clicker, a tongue click, something very specific to mark the second the dog looks at another dog. It's not necessary, but it can speed up the learning process by distinctly marking what is giving the dog a reward. You can use a word, but if you are a person like most who talks to their dog a lot, it might not be as effective as a novel sound.

    And it is much faster than you simple fumbling to try to get the treat to your dog at the right moment. Perhaps one time you reward for looking at the dog, perhaps the next you are a bit early and reward for looking at the person beside the dog, and perhaps the next time you are late and reward for looking at the rose bush. Lack of consistency (which a marker can fix) causes a lot of teaching problems for dogs, and they can become confused as to what you are actually reinforcing!

    - Use a special treat just for that behaviour you are working on. So if you practice other things on your walk that are rewarded as well, like sits, downs, loose leash walking, etc (which I assume you would be!!), or just marking good behaviour, then use a totally separate treat for the looking at other dogs. Perhaps you'll use kibble or cookies for well-known behaviours, but save the good stuff for the harder behaviours, like cheese or steak or liver. This way the dog will really associate the other dogs with super good stuff, and the super good stuff only happens when another dog is present. It can speed up learning.

    - Don't overwhelm the dog in the beginning. Start by just rewarding for glancing from a distance....don't then immediately run up to that other dog to begin a play session or try to introduce them. It can impact your dog's learning curve. The goal here (I think) is to make your dog aware, and comfortable, of the presence of strange dogs and to make it a "ho-hum" ordeal so that your dog does not feel aroused, fearful, or that he/she can necessarily greet every dog it sees.

    You might be interested, also, in ordering the book or DVD of Control Unleashed. The behaviours that you learn to teach are invaluable, and one of the ones you might benefit the most from is called Look at That Game (LAT).

    Hope this helps!

    • Gold Top Dog

    I think it's a great idea.  My guess is that you will start seeing her generalize when you do that particular walk, but say you go to the pet store, or walking in a totally different neighborhood, etc then you'd have to take a few steps back.  I'd bet that the environment will play a role and when you move the dog to a new environment you will have to increase the distance a bit.

    • Gold Top Dog

     With a dog this young, I would sign her up for puppy class, if you already haven't, with a positive trainer who has a puppy social period at the beginning of each class.  She is at the tail end of her socialization period, so you haven't much time.  If all you want her to be able to do is walk by other dogs, then your training her on walks is fine, but IMO she's still young enough to try to really socialize her off leash so she doesn't develop unreasonable fears of other dogs.  Some positive trainers offer classes specifically for small breed dogs, too:-)

    • Silver

    Kim-thank you for all that great advice! She is starting to figure out the clicker, so I will definitely implement that. Like the idea of introducing her to friendly dogs. Would borrowing a friend's dog to walk side by side with us help? Or is it more the meeting while on a walk we should practice? And Spiritdogs, I would LOVE for her to feel at ease with other dogs--not just on walks. We have done a fair amount of dogsitting for friends prior to adopting her-our Brittany Brady has always been completely fine with our friends' dogs. Now that we have Maggie I am worried she would growl/bark or be aggressive toward these visiting dogs. Of course safety is our #1 priority, so if we have to stop the dog sitting we will. But it's so great when you can trade sitting when on trips!

    spiritdogs
    She is at the tail end of her socialization period, so you haven't much time

    I really want to know this-- how different is it socializing at 3 vs. 4 months, or 5 months,etc.... How much harder is it if you don't get it done in that exact time? My trainer had told us that she was clearly not socialized prior to us adopting her at 3 months.