Resentful routine

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    Resentful routine

    Help! My IG has been crate training for 2 1/2 years. She poos on her very own bed and sleeps in it. How do I break the crate accidents?
    • Gold Top Dog

     Your dog is not resentful. Dogs are not spiteful or resentful, and they do not "misbehave" to get back at you. They are not capable of that sort of thinking. In this respect, they are better than humans!!!


    How long is she in the crate? Is she pooping EVERY time? 

    • Gold Top Dog

    More info would help.  Where did the dog come from and what age was she when you got her and how old is she now?  Is she on a set feeding schedule?  As asked, how long is she in the crate?  Does she have a sensitive tummy when it comes to food?   Exercise/walk schedule?

    Can you describe the routine this dog has on a daily basis?  These are all factors that can help people get a better idea of what could be going on and why she is having accidents in her crate.

     

       What method/s have you tried for housetraining her?  That could be part of the problem too. 

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    She ha been with us since she was a pup, around 10 wks. We do keep her in there during the night mostly,around7 hors. I jus asume she could hold her bms,since she is able to if sh sleeps with us. The dogs eatonceadayat3 pm any suggestions?
    • Gold Top Dog

     Dogs don't house train themselves.  You have to train her by supervising her at all times, taking her out every few hours, and rewarding her when she does her bm's outdoors.  You don't have to use the crate to train her (my guess is you got her at a pet store or from a puppy mill breeder, as those are the dogs that frequently learn to pee/poop in their crates because they didn't get outdoors), you can use the tether method.  Get a "buddy leash" and that way she is tied to your waist and can't go hide her pee, or do anything without you seeing her.  Do not punish her for any mistakes, simply remember next time to take her out sooner:-)

     

    • Gold Top Dog

    You really mis-understand crate "trainng" -- there is no "rule" that a dog won't LEARN to soil where it sleeps.  And at some point your dog learned the crate was an acceptable place to soil. 

    Does she actually voluntarily lay IN the soil (does it happen while she's unconscious?) or does she do it in one and and curl up at the other?  Those are different things.

    Bottom line -- she is NOT "crate-trained" -- only in the sense that she's trained to elminate IN her crate. 

    The first thing I would do is throw that crate away (the plastic will absorb the smell and remind her it's "ok" to go there) and get a different *type* of crate entirely.  Then, honestly I would go back to square one and re-train her.  Either get up with her and take her out when she's up (you can always put a bell on her) or change her routine so you don't crate at night.

    What happens if you simply don't crate her?  Does she hold it?  I'm going to assume you rarely leave her UN-crated so you may not know how reliable she is. 

    First -- she likely needs far far more exercise in the late afternoon/early evening.  Literally to help her bowels move and empty BEFORE bedtime.

    What happens if she's fed earlier in the day? (that may be when you get home) -- but if you fed her early in the morning she might literally be ready TO poop by mid-late afternoon and you could avoid the problem that way.

    But mostly you simply have to work on helping her understand that it's not acceptable to go IN the crate.

    Is the crate in your room?  I would find a way to have her make enough noise to wake you up so you could catch her having TO go -- and take her out. 

    The other thing I do very often is to simply move that waste outside leaving the paper towel with the waste out there.  Then go get her on leash and take her out to see that you have removed it to the OUTSIDE.  Show her -- HERE ... it belongs here and not in your crate.

    But I want to emphasize what Jennie has said - dogs don't try to punish us or 'resent' us by going in their crate -- but they do LEARN that it was acceptable to go there.

    Don't forget -- dogs have no inate sense of dislike or shame about their waste -- to them it DEFINES them.  This smell is ME .. this smell says I live here.  You and I are horrified.  But a dog isn't. 

    And ... if a dog successfully elminates and time (even an hour) passes before you find it -- and then you point to that pile and say "BAD DOG!!!" to her you've just said you don't like HER.  When what you're really saying is you don't like **where** she put it. 

    A dog truly doesn't get your point at all -- they just think that sometimes you don't like THEM.  (Mostly maybe she thinks you don't like her in the morning!)

    But honestly it's really important for you to understand that she's not doing something to deliberately annoy you.  It is NOT a "given" to a dog that they think their waste is bad or objectionable.  They don't.  And they really don't understand when WE do. 

    • Gold Top Dog

     Shes been pooing in her crate for 2 1/2 years/

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    Gees... I think you nailed it on the head. The whole crate thing didn't work out for us. We will try a different routine. I like the bell idea. She is a great dog, trains in obedience easily. Just didn't ever make it over this hurdle. FYI -- she is crated at night only, where she messes On her bed and also lays in it. It doesn't seem to bother her. I really thought IGs were just that hard to train. I knew I could find good help here.
    • Gold Top Dog

     I've always heard that sighthounds are "impossible". Sounded like a challenge, to me. My Parson Russell Terrier had her Canine Good Citizen, and was the fifth PRT to earn an AKC Rally Advanced Excellent title, as far as I know (when the stats for last year come out, I'll know for sure, she was 11th in the nation for her breed, in 2008, showing only half the year). I *like* a challenge.

     

    I adopted my IG on  September 30, at the age of 8. She was at a local pound, on the list to be euthanised for space. I gave her six weeks to come out of season, be spayed, and settle into her new home before I started serious training. She is now trained  to the level that she'll be entered in the next show I attend, and she's going in two weeks to take her therapy dog test. She has been sheer joy to train. So much fun!!! She LOVES obedience work, loves people, loves dogs. She's a wonderful, little dog. It did take some patience, to get her trained, and some bending to HER needs, but she GETS it, and she is better off, for it.

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    Last night I had her sleep in the recliner. No accidents. I'm optimistic.