New Canidae Grain Free coming soon

    • Gold Top Dog

    New Canidae Grain Free coming soon

    Sorry if this has been posted before (I looked but might have missed).

    They are coming out w/ three new formulas, two of which are grain free.

     You can see on their main site the three diff. formulas: http://www.canidae.com/

     Grain Free ALS:

    Chicken meal, turkey meal, lamb, potatoes, peas, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols), lamb meal, ocean fish meal, tomato pomace, natural flavor, choline chloride, sun cured alfalfa meal, inulin (from chicory root), lecithin, sage extract, cranberries, beta carotene, rosemary extract, sunflower oil, yucca schidigera extract, dried enterococcus faecium, dried lactobacillus acidophilus fermentation product, dried aspergillus oryzae fermentation extract, dried bacillus subtilis fermentation extract, saccharomyces cerevisiae fermentation solubles, vitamin E supplement, iron proteinate, zinc proteinate, copper proteinate, ferrous sulfate, zinc sulfate, copper sulfate, potassium iodide, thiamine mononitrate, manganese proteinate, manganous oxide, ascorbic acid, vitamin A supplement, biotin, calcium pantothenate, manganese sulfate, sodium selenite, pyridoxine hydrochloride (vitamin B6), vitamin B12 supplement, riboflavin, vitamin D supplement, folic acid, cobalt proteinate, organic selenium, papaya, pineapple.

    Crude Protein
    (min.)
    34.00%

    Crude Fat
    (min.)
    18.0%

    Crude Fiber
    (max.)
    4.00%

    Moisture
    (max.)
    10.00%

    Linoleic Acid (Omega 6)
    (min.)
    3.70%

    Calcium
    (min.)
    1.20%

    Phosphorus
    (min.)
    0.90%

    Vitamin E
    (min.)
    200.00
    IU/kg
    Alpha Linolenic Acid (Omega 3)*
    (min.)
    0.50%

    Ascorbic Acid (Vitamin C)
    (min.)
    50.00
    mg/kg
    Lactobacillus Acidophilus*
    (min.)
    100 million
    CFU/lb.
    Cellulase* (a)
    (min.)
    100
    CMCU/kg



    Grain Free Salmon

    Salmon meal, potatoes, potato protein, ocean fish meal, canola oil (preserved with mixed tocopherols), peas, tomato pomace, natural flavor, choline chloride, sun cured alfalfa meal, inulin (from chicory root), lecithin, sage extract, cranberries, beta carotene, rosemary extract, sunflower oil, yucca schidigera extract, dried enterococcus faecium, dried lactobacillus acidophilus fermentation product, dried aspergillus oryzae fermentation extract, dried bacillus subtilis fermentation extract, saccharomyces cerevisiae fermentation solubles, vitamin E supplement, iron proteinate, zinc proteinate, copper proteinate, ferrous sulfate, zinc sulfate, copper sulfate, potassium iodide, thiamine mononitrate, manganese proteinate, manganous oxide, ascorbic acid, vitamin A supplement, biotin, calcium pantothenate, manganese sulfate, sodium selenite, pyridoxine hydrochloride (vitamin B6), vitamin B12 supplement, riboflavin, vitamin D supplement, folic acid, cobalt proteinate, organic selenium, papaya, pineapple.

    Crude Protein
    (min.)
    40.00%

    Crude Fat
    (min.)
    20.00%

    Crude Fiber
    (max.)
    3.00%

    Moisture
    (max.)
    10.00%

    Linoleic Acid (Omega 6)
    (min.)
    3.70%

    Vitamin E
    (min.)
    200.00
    IU/kg
    NFE (carbohydrates)* (max.)
    19.50%

    Docosahexaenoic Acid (DHA)* (min.)
    0.05%

    Alpha Linolenic Acid (Omega 3)*
    (min.)
    1.00%

    Ascorbic Acid (Vitamin C)*
    (min.)
    50.00
    mg/kg
    Lactobacillus Acidophilus*
    (min.)
    100 million
    CFU/lb.
    Cellulase* (a)
    (min.)
    100
    CMCU/kg

    Kcal/cup: 498 ---->both grain free formulas



    Beef and Ocean Fish Formula (not grain-free)

    Beef, ocean fish meal, oatmeal, beef meal, brown rice, white rice, rice bran, peas, cracked pearled barley, millet, canola oil, tomato pomace, natural flavor, flaxseed meal, choline chloride, sun cured alfalfa meal, inulin (from chicory root), lecithin, sage extract, cranberries, beta carotene, rosemary extract, sunflower oil, yucca schidigera extract, dried enterococcus faecium, dried lactobacillus acidophilus fermentation product, dried aspergillus oryzae fermentation extract, dried bacillus subtilis fermentation extract, saccharomyces cerevisiae fermentation solubles, vitamin E supplement, iron proteinate, zinc proteinate, copper proteinate, ferrous sulfate, zinc sulfate, copper sulfate, potassium iodide, thiamine mononitrate, manganese proteinate, manganous oxide, ascorbic acid, vitamin A supplement, biotin, calcium pantothenate, manganese sulfate, sodium selenite, pyridoxine hydrochloride (vitamin B6), vitamin B12 supplement, riboflavin, vitamin D supplement, folic acid, cobalt proteinate, organic selenium, papaya, pineapple.

    Crude Protein
    (min.)
    24.00%

    Crude Fat
    (min.)
    12.00%

    Crude Fiber
    (max.)
    4.00%

    Moisture
    (max.)
    10.00%

    Linoleic Acid (Omega 6)
    (min.)
    3.55%

    Vitamin E
    (min.)
    200.00
    IU/kg
    Calcium
    (min.)
    1.40%

    Phosphorus
    (min.)
    1.0%

    Zinc (min.)
    200
    mg/kg
    Iron (min.)
    300
    mg/kg
    Alpha Linolenic Acid (Omega 3)*
    (min.)
    0.50%

    Ascorbic Acid (Vitamin C)*
    (min.)
    50.00
    mg/kg
    Lactobacillus Acidophilus*
    (min.)
    100 million
    CFU/lb.
    Cellulase* (a)
    (min.)
    100
    CMCU/kg

    kcal/cup: 457
    • Gold Top Dog

     They all look good although Jessie couldn't have any of them. I like the amount of omega 3 in the salmon.

    • Gold Top Dog

    The first has an awful lot of different protein sources, which kind of concerns me.  But, I guess my biggest concern is that Canidae is being produced in Diamond plants.  The man at the feed store told me that Solid Gold is as well.  Sigh.

    • Gold Top Dog

    glenmar

    The first has an awful lot of different protein sources, which kind of concerns me.  But, I guess my biggest concern is that Canidae is being produced in Diamond plants.  The man at the feed store told me that Solid Gold is as well.  Sigh.

     

    Funny how the Canidae ingredients "all of a sudden" mimmick those in Diamond Naturals, don't ya think? Wink

    I am trying to resist trying the Salmon one for Wolfie, since he has been doing so well on Eagle Pack Holistic Small breed adult for the past 6 months.  Maybe I'll see if they can send me some samples. 

    • Gold Top Dog

    I've never used Solid Gold, but had always heard great things about it, and have said that in suggesting the food to others.  Knowing now where it is manufactured, I'm certainly reluctant to do so now.  And wasn't it SG that bought Wellness?  And Wellness is actually doing TV advertising now.....so it follows that IF SG bought Wellness, which has always had some issues, that it too will be made in the Diamond plants.

    I have used Canidae, and gosh darn it, I hate to see that it's manufactured at Diamond and I really hate that they have ANY connection.

    I honestly hadn't looked at the Diamond ingredients, but not that you bring it up, it makes me even more uncomfortable about Canidae. 

    What a shame to see

    • Gold Top Dog

    glenmar
    And wasn't it SG that bought Wellness? 

    Actually, Catterton Partners, who own Eagle Pack recently purchased Wellness Pet Foods.

    • Gold Top Dog

    tzu_mom

    glenmar
    And wasn't it SG that bought Wellness? 

    Actually, Catterton Partners, who own Eagle Pack recently purchased Wellness Pet Foods.

     

    What she said.
     

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    • Gold Top Dog

     we are on Orjen fish and very happy but I like to see some possible others - the salmon formula looks pretty good - too many carbs in the beef & too low protein for the beast but not bad

    I am another wary of Diamond though - part of the reason I just left SG products

    • Gold Top Dog

    They actually all look pretty good. My dogs seem to do a bit better on a lower calorie food. Not a weight management food, just a lower calorie regular food. They digest it a bit better and get a little more in their bowl so I try to stay under 400 calories per cup. They are all on the later end of middle age. I do a cooked topper and don't mind a lower protien food as I can adjust it with their cooked meals and home made jerky.

    ETA: They do fine with grains although they don't like the texture of oats in their foods. Tasha dislikes potatoes and will only eat a food with potatoes if they are disguised.

    • Gold Top Dog

     I'd try it. I wonder what they will price it at. Probably close to Wellness core I'm guessing.

    • Gold Top Dog

    i just bought two large bags of lamb and rice and platinum, but have decided to return them.  i was debating whether i should buy small bags and see how the gang does or should i just switch everyone to a grain-free diet.  one of my pups has possible allergies and i was considering a grain-free diet for him.  is it okay to put all my dogs on grain-free or do dogs need certain grains?  which grain-frees do people use?  my one pup who is on platinum has seziures and has gained weight because of his meds, so that is why he is on the weight control canidae.  is there any food that would be good for him, but lower in calories?

    thanks

    • Gold Top Dog

    Thanks for the correction.  Getting old and forgetful.......

    I guess the answer is that no one really knows whether or not dogs NEED grains.  They sure don't "need" the grain glutens and grain fragments that lots of lower end foods use.  I use no grains in my homecooked unless I get distracted and make it too soupy and then I'll add a small handful of quick cooking oats.  Whole grains, however, all offer benefits.  The whole grain, of whatever, uses the bran,the germ and the ecosperm and all three have benefits.

    All the different "stuff" that so many dog food companies use, such as carrots and sweet taters, blueberries, cranberries, etc, that are often ridiculed, are actually sources of vitamins, minerals and antioxidents.   These are NATURAL sources so that nothing artifical needs to be added.

    Callie would likely be the best one to answer questions about seizure dogs and grains.  She manages to get all the really tough rescues and has learned from hard experience.

    • Gold Top Dog

    dogs have no dietary requirement for carbohydates period, whether it's potatoes or grains. Really active dogs may do better if given some carbohydrates but most dogs just get fat if fed carbs and the only reason to feed them carbs is it's cheaper than feeding them meat.

    These formulas look like cheap imitations of proper dog diets- potato protein? generic ocean fish meal? such a low protein % still mostly a non-meat diet. Consider that a REAL carnivore diet is well above 50% protein dry weight.

    • Gold Top Dog

    I'm not sure that's accurate.  The nutritionalist who designed my homecooked recipe felt that they DO indeed need some sort of carb source.  I know that many vets feel the same way.  There are benefits to carbs if only the vitamins, minerals and antioxidents.  I would rather my dogs get those things from natural sources.

    My crew are not as active as they were when we had a house and a yard, yet not one of them has been packing on the pounds and they do get carbs in both their kibble AND their homecooked.

     

    • Gold Top Dog

    Well now that must be why suddenly after so long it is now available at PetCo stores.  Mmmmmm

    I had done a few demo's for them.  I like the food but hate the selling out.  I will have to look into that.  Thanks.

    I just looked that up and it is showing as a former investment for that company.  As in not anymore.  Who owns wellness now then I wonder?