Food For Thought

    • Gold Top Dog

    starsenchis

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    Apparently a lot of folks disagree with that.  I have never fed pedigree. I use to see ads on TV --they may still be on there--that pedigree was formuated by vets, and that probably convinced some to use it.  But I didn't change because my dogs have always done great on Purina...another much disliked food here.  But i am sure that the people who do feed Pedigree and have great results with it would highly resent the statement that they are feeding their dogs disgusting garbage not fit for dirty street rats.  I dont' know what your feed your dog/dogs, but NEVER would I say your were feeding disgusting garbage even if I thoughjt so.    If you try a food and it doesn't work for your dog, then it is just fine to say it didn't work for yur dog and you would never use it again.  And if you try a food and it does work great, by all means tell that it works great.  But NO food is perfect and Pedigree may work just as good for some dogs as what you feed your works for it---- and many others.
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    This issue is something that people will NEVER agree on. I choose to feed holistic food and give only filtered water to drink. I wouldn't feel good about doing anything less.
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    • Gold Top Dog

    I don't feed Pedigree, never have, but my vet was in the commercials several yrs back with her Pugs. Funny, at the time, she did recommend feeding it, and all her Pugs were in top health, looked amazing, again, can't argue with results. She has since gotten into many holistic foods herself, even has a couple on Evo, but her dogs and other I have seen have done very well on it. I still feed Bil Jac frozen to several of mine, on and off, I m sure many people think it is terrible, but I have had some of the best results on that food. 

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    cc431, we are discussing dog food- not religion, politics or the abortion debate. I'm not quite sure why my comment upsets you content deleted

     It's not about money, I'm not being a snob.  If Pedigree is the best they can do price wise, there are better options for the same price.  I also don't put down Purina- it's way better than Pedigree.

    If you look through my past posts, I have never made a similar comment about another brand.  I am not a "dog food snob".  I just have a special hatred for Pedigree...okay and maybe Beneful, Gaines Burgers and 'Ol Roy. Other than that, feed what you can afford.  Feed Abady, feed Purina, feed Eukanuba, Natural Balance, Orijen, I couldn't care less and I won't even add my opinion.   But feeding a food that derives its protein from  "meat and bone meal" because they have a great advertising campaign doesn't make sense to me. 

     

    • Gold Top Dog

    I agree with starsenchis, except I also put everything you can find in a grocery store, and most stuff available at the chain pet stores (Petco/Petsmart) in the same category.  Calling someone a food snob because they want dogs to eat a higher quality diet is ridiculous.  Do you call people food snobs just because they don't eat all their meals at fast food places? 

    • Gold Top Dog

    OK, fun and games are over.  No more personal attacks, name calling, etc.  And if you think that a food is of particularly poor quality, please attempt to phrase your comments in a bit more delicate fashion.

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    I apologize,  I had a weak moment.  I've never been so blatant about how I feel about a certain food before, please forgive :)

     

    • Puppy

    Wow, I find that rather odd-your comment about many not liking Pedigree dog food.  Most people I speak to usually, usually like it.  When I first got into breeding Min Pins 14 years ago, the breeder I was dealing with recommended Pedigree to me.  She was very heavy into showing AKC & her animals always looked good.  I've always used it & have liked it.  I think it's a good "in-between" brand-It's not the most expensive, but it's not the cheapest either. 

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    Karousel68

    I think it's a good "in-between" brand-It's not the most expensive, but it's not the cheapest either. 

    In my opinion it's not an "in between" brand. Those are usually considered to be Nutro, Science Diet, Royal Canin, etc. I don't doubt that a lot of dogs do well on a corn based diet, although I think I meat based diet would definitely be more ideal. The main issue I have with foods like Pedigree is the source/quality of some of ingredients, especially the meat/fats. And also the effects certain ingredients could have over the long term. I've bolded all of them below.

    Pedigree Large Breed Food for Adult Dogs

    GROUND YELLOW CORN, CHICKEN BY-PRODUCT MEAL, MEAT AND BONE MEAL (NATURAL SOURCE OF CALCIUM), RICE, CORN GLUTEN MEAL, ANIMAL FAT (PRESERVED WITH BHA/BHT), NATURAL POULTRY FLAVOR, DRIED BEET PULP, WHEAT FLOUR, SALT, POTASSIUM CHLORIDE, WHEAT MILL RUN, CARAMEL COLOR, VEGETABLE OIL (SOURCE OF LINOLEIC ACID), VITAMINS (CHOLINE CHLORIDE, dl-ALPHA TOCOPHEROL ACETATE [SOURCE OF VITAMIN E], L-ASCORBYL-2-POLYPHOSPHATE [SOURCE OF VITAMIN C*], VITAMIN A SUPPLEMENT, THIAMINE MONONITRATE [VITAMIN B1], BIOTIN, d-CALCIUM PANTOTHENATE, RIBOFLAVIN SUPPLEMENT [VITAMIN B2], VITAMIN D3 SUPPLEMENT, VITAMIN B12 SUPPLEMENT), TRACE MINERALS (ZINC SULFATE, COPPER SULFATE, POTASSIUM IODIDE), IRON OXIDE.

    *Edited- sorry about the all caps. The ingredient list is from Petfooddirect.com

    • Gold Top Dog

    Pedigree does suck in some show breeders because they spend a ton of money sponsoring dog shows and they have a very good marketing team.  They have all of this extra money for sponsoring dog shows, including the prestigious Westminster, and other advertising because their food is so cheap to make.  It is so cheap to make that they can sell it to consumers at a reasonable price and still make a fabulous profit.

     

    Pedigree’s Complete Nutrition for Adults has:

    Corn, meat & bone meal (mmm, mystery meat), corn gluten meal, chicken by-product meal, animal fat as the first 5 ingredients.  It also includes wheat mill run (sweepings off the mill floor, yum), wheat flour and wheat gluten. 

     

    Now that I think of it, maybe I shouldn’t even lump Beneful into the same category as Pedigree, at least they use a named meat product in their food.

      

    Gravy Train lists: Corn, soybean meal, beef and bone meal, animal fat and animal digest. There is no wheat, “mill run” or gluten in the food.  The main source of protein in the food is a named meat product.  (I probably won’t find a food that lists a named fat source in this price category, so I will settle for the main source of protein being named.)

      

    Purina Dog Chow lists: Corn, poultry by product meal, animal fat, corn gluten meal, brewer’s rice…  There is no wheat, “mill run” or gluten in the food.  We at least know that the main protein source came from a bird, very likely chicken and turkey, maybe some duck. There is a bit of meat and bone meal later on down the list, though.

     

    Alpo Prime Cuts: Corn, beef and bone meal, soybean, digest of chicken by products, animal fat, poultry by product meal.  This food is wheat and gluten free.  It has no floor sweepings in it. There are two named meat products in the first 4 ingredients.  Maybe the best out of the list so far.

    (of course I am ignoring the fact that it is corn based and chemically preserved.  I just mean the best out of the relatively cheap grocery store brands)

     

    Friskies Come n’ Get It:

    Corn, beef and bone meal, corn germ, soybean, animal fat, digest of chicken by products, pork and bone meal, poultry by product meal…

    There are no floor sweepings in this food.  No wheat or gluten.  No meat from unknown sources.  “Up” there with Alpo Prime cuts.

     

    Now, if I was on a very strict budget and all I could afford was a food priced very similar to Pedigree, Pedigree would be the very last food on my list to choose from. 

    Out of these, I would settle on the Alpo or the Come n’ Get it.  Then maybe Gravy Train.

    They have as much or more meat as Pedigree and it is not mystery meat- we at least know what animal it came from.  And they don’t contain floor sweepings!  It is actually hard for me to find a food as bad as Pedigree.  'Ol Roy is right there, and if you don’t include the semi moist diabetes patties, I’d say they were the very worst on the market, with the possible exception of some generic brands. Now if we look at nutrients only, then maybe Pedigree will perform very similar to Alpo or Come n get it or Gravy Train, maybe even better if their vitamin/ minerals are better balanced or the food is processed differently.  But I just cannot get past the mystery meat and floor sweepings. 

     

    And there you have it...A much more eloquent way of saying how I feel about PedigreeWink

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    starsenchis
    Pedigree does suck in some show breeders because they spend a ton of money sponsoring dog shows and they have a very good marketing team.  They have all of this extra money for sponsoring dog shows, including the prestigious Westminster, and other advertising because their food is so cheap to make.  It is so cheap to make that they can sell it to consumers at a reasonable price and still make a fabulous profit.
     
    I totally agree with that.
    Now that I think of it, maybe I shouldn’t even lump Beneful into the same category as Pedigree, at least they use a named meat product in their food.
    I don't know, I think Beneful might be a little worse. There's no meat until the seventh ingredient. The second is ingredient is a named by-product. Same with Dog Chow; the source is specified, but it is by-products and organs definitely shouldn't be the main ingredient in a dog's diet. Plus the "animal" digest, artificial colors, sugar and menadione bisulfite in Beneful... even worse.
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    I had only looked at Beneful's Adult dog formula which lists chicken by product meal as the second ingredient.  I just went back and looked at their "Healthy" Harvest Blend ingredients- OH my goodness!!!

    Ingredients:
    GROUND YELLOW CORN, CORN GLUTEN MEAL, WHOLE WHEAT FLOUR, ANIMAL FAT PRESERVED WITH MIXED-TOCOPHEROLS (FORM OF VITAMIN E), SOY PROTEIN CONCENTRATE, SOYBEAN MEAL, PEARLED BARLEY, BREWERS RICE, TRICALCIUM PHOSPHATE, SUGAR, WATER, ANIMAL DIGEST, SORBITOL

    You are right!  This could be worse than Pedigree, Geez- and I thought that was impossibleIndifferent

    • Gold Top Dog
    starsenchis

    I just went back and looked at their "Healthy" Harvest Blend ingredients- OH my goodness!!!

    Ingredients:
    GROUND YELLOW CORN, CORN GLUTEN MEAL, WHOLE WHEAT FLOUR, ANIMAL FAT PRESERVED WITH MIXED-TOCOPHEROLS (FORM OF VITAMIN E), SOY PROTEIN CONCENTRATE, SOYBEAN MEAL, PEARLED BARLEY, BREWERS RICE, TRICALCIUM PHOSPHATE, SUGAR, WATER, ANIMAL DIGEST, SORBITOL

    WOW. Their "healthy harvest" variety has no meat in the entire food!
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     I always have to wonder when i hear people say they are on a budget and cant afford anything better then pedigree et al Huh? I'm on a tight budget,i get paid on Thursday and usually have nothing left by Monday or Tuesday,not a cent,i dont have a credit card!

    I have 2 bullmastiff's to feed,they are on numerous super premium foods(i rotate),they also get raw and homecooked and plenty of rmb's.Even though i am always broke we live a fairly comfortable life,one thing i will not compromise on is fresh healthy foods for my family and my dogs.They are my responsibilty i brought them into my home and they deserve the very best,if i couldnt have offered them that then i wouldnt have had kids or dogs!

    I know if i fed pedigree,purina etc i would have to feed so much more than i do on the super premiums it would probably end up costing me the same or more,and they would be getting sub par nutrition and pooping most of it out to boot...It just makes no sense to me.

    If people are forced to feed real cheap foods(a very basic necessity) then how do they afford all the other bills that come along with having dogs??