Eagle Pack Holistics VS. Canidae...

Like I said these products may be considered questionable. It all depends on who/what you choose to believe because there's never going to be anything that everyone agrees on. Obviously that goes for us here all the way up to the nutritionists that work for these two companies.

 
Yep!  Your right!  I think THAT is precisely why we choose a dog food company that we trust.   Eagle Pack is a small company that does prepare their own food in their own factory..unlike many of the others.  They buy fresh herbicide free grain and ground them for each production. John told me even the corn that they buy is grown close to their company and is inspected by them even while its growing and then again before being used.  They sure seem like they are the company I want to buy from. Of course unless you personally go check them out yourselves you can not be sure,,,and who PERSONALLY checks out these places?? We must put our faith and trust in one of them unless your going to home cook. And I KNOW I am not going to feed my dog all the right things if I do that.
 

I have never tried Eagle Pack, heard many good things about it.
 
I did try Canidae, and 2 things I disliked about it for my dogs:  1. Loss of coat.  It just couldn't keep a good show coat on my kiddos. 2. It produces a urine pH of 7.0, which is too high for my guys, as they started to form crystals on this food.
 
Try each. Keep a journal of the changes you see (good and bad) and then you will be able to remembe rwhen it comes time to rotate which foods worked and which didn't.

I tried Canidae for my great dane and it was great for a little while and then she started having loose stools again.  I switched her to Eagle Pack and things are going much better.  There is no doubt in my mind that canidae is a good food, but it just didn't work for my dog. 

John told me even the corn that they buy is grown close to their company and is inspected by them even while its growing and then again before being used. 

 
 I live in Indiana and Eagle Pack's plant is in Mishuaka, which is in northern Indiana. There is a large Amish population in that area and of course they are all farmers as they grow their own food. I love to take a ride up there and watch them standing at the front of a long wagon driving a team of large draft horses; anyway, I'd bet a week's pay that they are the source for Eagle's herbicide free grains.

My Joey became constipated on Canidae.  Impressive ingredients, but bad results.  I believe it depends on your dog.  I have a friend that swears by Canidae.  While my dog can't handle it hers does great.  My does great on Eagle Pack Lamb and Oatmeal, Solid Gold Wee Bites, and Merrick Wilderness Blend.  Ingredients don't mean a thing if it doesn't produce results or at least allows your dog to poop.

Oh, I guess the answer to your question is... Canidae has better ingredients.

Jessiemom,
My EP rep did mention the Amish farmers near the plant, but can't remember if he said they were the farmers who grew the grains.

but can't remember if he said they were the farmers who grew the grains.

I have thought for a while that they probably got their grains that way and Dyan's comment supports that idea;
   



"John told me even the corn that they buy is grown close to their company and is inspected by them even while its growing and then again before being used."

It sound like it could be Janice,,because he didn't really say they grow their own corn but rather they get it from farms by them (which is really good to begin with since they are not having it shipped from the deep south like so many others, since that is where the most problems of aflotoxins are) and they inspect them while it being grown.

ORIGINAL: RidgebackGermansShep
I've been feeding canidae to my german shepherd, and he seems to be doing very well on it.

Why try fixing something that ain't broken? [sm=wink.gif]

ORIGINAL: sooner

Yes you'd still need to give supplements. I don't believe the amount of glucosamine added to any kibble is enough to be theraputic.

Why does a healthy dog with no problems need a "theraputic" level of glucosamine?

ORIGINAL: mini_mom

Why does a healthy dog with no problems need a "theraputic" level of glucosamine?

ORIGINAL: RidgebackGermansShep

Also, since EP has glucosamine, would i still need to continue to give my dog his glucosamine/chondroitin supplements? Thanks!

A healthy dog with no problems would not need to be supplemented, but I was talking about this dog and I assumed that since this dog already gets supplements for whatever reason, that he probably needed to continue at the same dosage. At 88 mg per cup a dog that really needs it may not get enough.

*I* prefer Canidae. Some ingredients that may be considered questionable in the Eagle Pack are: Dried Beet Pulp, Tomato Pomace, Brewers Dried Yeast, Dried Egg Product, Salt. But a lot of people have great results with both.

 
About the dried egg product, I was just reading the Eagle brochure and came across this:  
"We use complete whole egg from a farm producing for human use. Some brands use broken eggs, or yolks and whites which are later recombined and called Dried Egg Product. AAFCO forces us to use that term but our egg is whole, human grade egg.
 
About Salt:
Our salt is naturally derived. Only a minimum amount is added to meet government requirements.

I would like to add a bit of info on the "dried egg product" subject.
I worked for a short time at an egg farm where they produce 10's of thousands of eggs a day. I think I saw eggs in my sleep, lol.
There were quite a few "grades" of eggs and many of them that would NOT enter the human food chain were just "ugly ducklings" and had nothing wrong except the shell was wrinkled or colored wrong. These eggs were sold to different buyers by lots at auction, but the undeveloped eggs or broken eggs were "disposed off" in the GARBAGE! They were NEVER sold or even given away.
As far as this facility, I can say that they only sold the "ugly" eggs. All the rest were thrown out.
I honestly believe that reputable companies (ie:eagle pack, innova, canadae, etc) don't use "trash" and also, they are regulated by AAFCO regulations about what can and can't go on the label, so what appears to be a lower grade ingredient, may be just the way it's GOT to be listed. The same way they are not allow to list "human grade" on the ingredient list.

Very interesting Renee!
You know, I buy my eggs from a farmer down the street where I work,,, I bet out of the dozen in the carton,,,only a few would get sold to a store.  Many are speckled, not even colored.. and things like that on the surface!  Many people probably wouldn't buy them, but they are good and they are fresh!

I have a small flock of chickens myself, and sometimes I get more eggs than we can eat, so I offer them to friends and such. It's funny how many people WONT take them due to the fact they "are fertile". They don't want to crack an egg and get a "chick" in the pan, LOL.
I don't buy grocery store eggs anymore. I prefer the fresh ones no matter the color of the shell, although the green ones are very good! 
 
Sorry, didn't mean to get OT. []