Does anyone else feed Abady?

People really seem fixated on the Web site thing. This is not really an INTERNET savvy company. Their Webb site doesn't list products, let alone ingredients. Again, go to a store that carries Abady and look at the label. Yes, the primary ingredient in the Abady Classic is chicken by-products. I don't have a problem with that as it is a good protein source. There is no corn in the current formula, and it is unfair to compare it to a corn based formula. There is lots of animal based protein and fat in this feed ans that, to me, justifies the cost. I can get Abady cheaper from my feed store than I can on-line. I look at the labels of all products I am considering before buying them. All you will get from the Webb site is a company philosophy. For more info you have to call or write them, or read the label.

Best wishes to all, and may your dogs and human family be well.

This is not really an INTERNET savvy company...  All you will get from the Webb site is a company philosophy. For more info you have to call or write them, or read the label.

 
Well, it seems that they are smart enough to include the OPINIONS of R. Abady and not include ANY products. First of all, let me say I have stayed out of this thread, but have been reading it (popcorn in hand, lol), but this website is simply a way for the company to project their opinions and spread hogwash. Honestly, how can some one that appears to be so intelligent, expect people to believe that genetics or over vaccinating, has nothing to do with health problems, pffttt. Really now, we are all pretty smart cookies and I don't think that there are many scientists that would support that propaganda, unless of course they work for this company.
 
As far as the food goes, I'm sure it's as good as many other brands and granted, it's way cost prohibitive for me (feeding my large pack), but it's just the companies tactics that put me off and if it were less expensive, that alone would prevent me from trying it. Close minded, maybe, but it's the same with Timberwolf (for me anyway). They had really lousy CS there at one time and made some mistakes with labeling, shipping, and such, not answering customers ????'s etc and this alone makes me cautious and leary of the company. JMVHO

no supplements...no additives...no weird skin problems...no meds...not sending the Vets kids to college

sorry...that rubs me the wrong way a bit...[:@] being a "vet kid"...as if i'm trying to make money off of making JQP's dog sick

where on earth do you get the idea that food companies "send us to college"? The ONLY thing they do is, if we already feed their product, we can get it discounted. That's it. No tuition reimbursement, no financial assistance minus a small couple hundred dollar scholarship or two, nothing. 
 
Anyway, to answer your question, I rotate between Innova, Premium Edge, homecooked, and Canidae.

ORIGINAL: louiereck

People really seem fixated on the Web site thing. This is not really an INTERNET savvy company. Their Webb site doesn't list products, let alone ingredients. Again, go to a store that carries Abady and look at the label. Yes, the primary ingredient in the Abady Classic is chicken by-products. I don't have a problem with that as it is a good protein source. There is no corn in the current formula, and it is unfair to compare it to a corn based formula. There is lots of animal based protein and fat in this feed ans that, to me, justifies the cost. I can get Abady cheaper from my feed store than I can on-line. I look at the labels of all products I am considering before buying them. All you will get from the Webb site is a company philosophy. For more info you have to call or write them, or read the label.

Best wishes to all, and may your dogs and human family be well.

Here is what the dog food project has to say about chicken by-products as an ingredient in dog food.

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Chicken Byproduct Meal AAFCO: Consists of the dry, ground, rendered, clean parts of the carcass of slaughtered chicken, such as necks, feet, undeveloped eggs, and intestines -- exclusive of feathers except in such amounts as might occur unavoidably in good processing practices. Chicken byproducts are much less expensive and less digestible than the chicken muscle meat.The ingredients of each batch can vary drastically in ingredients (heads, feet, bones etc.) as well as quality, thus the nutritional value is also not consistent. Don't forget that byproducts consist of any parts of the animal OTHER than meat. If there is any use for any part of the animal that brings more profit than selling it as "byproduct", rest assured it will appear in such a product rather than in the "byproduct" dumpster.

I would expect this from a bottom of the line supermarket dog food, not a pricey dog food.  And if you run a company today, and can't afford to have someone design a couple of web pages about your product, I doubt if you are going to buy top of the line ingredients and put them in your products either. 

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ORIGINAL: brookcove...

Ben's violently allergic to rice, chicken, eggs, and processed beef products. Any of those in there? Like, those ingredients make him deathly ill in any form.



If you say so.

See, that's the kind of creepy attitude that puts me off this product. When I ask for information, I just get talking points. Oh, it doesn't matter what's in the food, because this food doesn't cause allergies. My dog doesn't really have allergies, he's just sick because he's not eating Mr. Abdy's Magic Food.

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I don't know what the difference is between feeding a "carnivore" a food with miniscule amounts of herbs and veggies, and feeding a food with large amounts of grains. Neither one is any more "species appropriate" in the sense you are trying to claim, than the other. Neither rice, nor gobs of processed lard, are on the diet of wild canids. I personally don't care. .../quote

In regards feeding a food with 'large amounts of grain' in regards to feeding carnivores, the important issue is the carb content. Abady clearly states the carb content on the box of feed. The carb content of Abady "classic" is 22.6%

How many companies do you know of Brookcove that will advertise the carb content on their products?

You can figure all of them out easily. You just add up the protein, fat, and ash, and what's left is carbs. No big deal. The milled ration I feed is 24/18/1.5 - carb percentage 56.5%. That's why it's a supplement only to the raw meat.

Also advertised on the box in NO ALLERGY CAUSING grains, and that would be white rice.

Oh, yeah, after telling me my dog has no allergies, I'm going to trust what's advertised on the box? White rice is particularly bad for Ben, and none of the rest of my BCs do well on rice, either. They do best on oatmeal, barley, and (ta-da!) corn.

The next time Ben gets "into" something and we have to rush him to the vet, I'll send you the bill and you tell me whether I'm just making things up here.

I do not deny that I would prefer muscle meat to by-products. However, I prefer by-products to plant based feed. Each to their own.
Abady does come off sort of preachy. When I feel I'm right and the vast majority doesn't agree with me, I can end up sounding the same way.
PR is not my or the Abady company's strength. I still like their product.
There are many good feeds out there. I have considered Canidae, among others, I just like the company philosophy of Abady, and my dogs do very well on their food.
Each to their own. I just am surprised the way people attack this company in particular. I guess it's the cost, the company's tone, and the use of by products. 

ORIGINAL: brookcove

Oh, yeah, after telling me my dog has no allergies, I'm going to trust what's advertised on the box?

 
All I said was, 'If you say so'.  I never said your dog has allergies.  I know your Ben has allergies.
 
That is a creepy attitude?  Quite frankly I don't know what else to say to you after your constant barrage snippy and snide remarks.  I think and probably others as well you are the one coming off as somewhat overly negative here.

ORIGINAL: whtsthfrequency
Anyway, to answer your question, I rotate between Innova, Premium Edge, homecooked, and Canidae.

 
I don't recall asking, but thanks anyway.

Normally, "If you say so," means, "I don't believe you," or "I'm pretty sure you don't know what you are talking about." Clearly referencing my statement about Ben's allergies, I took it to mean that you think you know better than I do about Ben's health and how to manage it.

It's a pretty aggressive remark to make in a dialog. If that's not what you meant then I'm sorry I escalated, but I don't see what else you could have meant by that.

All I can see, re-reading my posts, is pointing out the inconsistencies and vagaries that make me distrust this company. Well, except that last post - that was pretty cranky, but I don't like to be told that I don't know what I'm talking about when it comes to the dog I've worked hardest on keeping healthy and happy for eleven going on twelve years. [&o]

ORIGINAL: chelsea_b
I'm sorry, but that's total BS. White rice has protein (and quite a bit of it). Therefore it can be an allergen.

 
Hi Chelsea,
Abady makes every effort to avoid the use of gluten source proteins.  White rice is brown rice with the hull removed.  This is preferred because the hull is fibrous.  Fiber is keep at less than 1% in Abady.  Brown rice has a slightly higher protein content than white, but in comparison to the fiber, brown rice is much higher than white in fiber.  Fiber is avoided because that is direct-connection to allergies.  The industry and the vets has no solution for fiber-based allergies.  Abady does, and the solution is to simply avoid fiber.  Someone mentioned, maybe it was you if they ever went to raw they look for small amount of carb content.  Nothing wrong with that, and something like 22.6% or less would be perfect.  Typically you find carb content is 50%  lus range..  Do you know what that translates into?  Grain protein dictates the ration, not animal source.  Again, that increases the higher probability of running into problems.  Many dogs to perfectly fine on grain based rations, some develop problems and plagued with every allergy under sun.

 I think louiereck and cc431 are the same person.  Wouldn't that be hilarious the same person making conversation with themself[]  I wonder if you can tell if they are in the same area or using the same computer????
 
Personally from what I've heard about Abady I would never feed nor recommend it.  I like my NRG dehydrated just fine thank you[]
 
I'll join the rest of the crowd, sit back and watch the show...lol
 
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ORIGINAL: ottoluv

I think the point that the Abady people don't get is that no one is saying it's to expensive for me, we are saying it's too expensive for what you get. As many have said before, there are LOTS of foods with comparable and frankly better ingredient profiles that cost much less. Paying for hype is just paying for hype.

 
You're saying it is too expensive for what you get, and I will assert you pay for what you get and cost then therefore becomes reflective of quality...and punch.
 
Say your feed is 18% protein and delivers 300 cals per cup.  It may cost $18.99 for the big bag.  Move up to 20%  protein
and 335 cals per cup and your cost may be $28.99 for the big bag.  Well, I guess my point is when your feed a stand alone product get to 30% protein (90%+animal source) and your pushing 800 cals per cup, you will find it going to cost you about $65 for the bag of feed (and your dog will also be consuming much less product).  Cost is relative.
 
 

ORIGINAL: Cally01

 I think louiereck and cc431 are the same person. 

 
I'm 44 years old, soon to be 45.  Please don't be silly accusing me of teenage style pranks.

ORIGINAL:louiereck

People really seem fixated on the Web site thing. ...

I noticed in the pic your dog is lying down and looks very good!  I can tell because many times when you see a dog lying down
the sides are much wider than the shoulders with that obvious extra padding around the tummy.  I think that is a reflection of the food IMO.  [sm=haha.gif]

I'm 44 years old, soon to be 45. Please don't be silly accusing me of teenage style pranks. Quote by CC431

 
I don't think age really has anything to do with it.  I am a bit tired right now, so I apologize if I made an assumption that isn't true.  Forgive me.