Dog foods tainted ...

Look at this article and you will see you are wrong.

 
   I think the article is wrong. If you read the ingredients on cans and bags of foods made by the same company, they are different, and since they're listed in order of weight they can't come from the same batch. Kibble can't be more than 50% meat meal or it will gum up the extruder; the canned foods I feed Jessie are 65 to 95% meat; they couldn't have come from the same batch as kibble.

I don't really think that article is correct about a few things. It looks like it was written with a lot of misinformtion..rumors or things of the past. I don't think his discription of by-products are correct either:

Meat that we don't want for ourselves, for the most part. Packaged pet food often contains [linkhttp://www.sniksnak.com/ac/petfooddefinitions.html]ingredients[/link] like "[linkhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meat_by-product]meat byproducts[/link]" or "chicken meal," which come from animal parts that Americans rarely consume—heads, bones, blood, and organs. It might also contain parts from sick or dying animals. How can he put CHICKEN MEAL and BY-PRODUCTS in the same sentence?
 

FYI, Nutro is not a premium brand. It never has been, and never will be. Premium brands cannot be bought at supermarkets or PetCoSmartWalCost-type places. Even some "Indy" type shops of the less-informed unfortunately carry Nutro, which is very misleading.

 
I am curious where did you get this information??
 
Petco -  sellsmany premium brands..including Solid Gold, Natural Balance, Castor & Pollux, Eagle Pack, Sensible Choice, Royal Canin, Breeders Choice,  AvoDerm.
 
So does Petsmart....They sell Blue Buffalo and some other good brands too.
 
And you might not consider Nutro to be a premium food but it also isn't a bad food.
 
And "Indy" shops...are you talking about feed stores?
 

ORIGINAL: terryl

ORIGINAL: Ullr

ORIGINAL: terryl

I am thinking that if Nutro and these other so-called "premium" brands of wet and wet packet foods are tainted, then the dry food is bad also. It probably all comes out of the same batch, just some is dry and some is wetted.

I would be leery of any foods made by those characters.

Terry, Max and Brinksie

FYI, Nutro is not a premium brand. It never has been, and never will be. Premium brands cannot be bought at supermarkets or PetCoSmartWalCost-type places. Even some "Indy" type shops of the less-informed unfortunately carry Nutro, which is very misleading. [8|]

Okay, I'll bite. Why am I paying $50.00 a bag at Flagstaff Petsmart? (Other than I am gullible?)

What do you use?

BTW, I cooked real human food, hamburger, bacon, eggs, brown rice and eggs for my dogs since this happened. If the stuff I buy at the human grocery store is tainted, at least we all die together.

 
According to my vet and the 2 shops where I purchase my kibble from, Nutro is not a premium brand, but a mid-grade. But if that works for your pooch and you want to call it a premium, go right ahead. There are far worse foods to feed, and as long as your dog is happy and healthy, why get all defensive about what someone else thinks about your food? As far as I know, having tried it many years ago when I was learning about food, Nutro is not a premium. And until I learn more about the facilities where Blue Buffalo comes from, I don't feel there is a premium brand that can be bought at PetSmart.
 
I think the horse is dead at this point and many people here have taken a liking to taking my text out of context and are starting to call me things like rude, arrogant, and FASCIST, all for the purpose of saying my original first post was not properly worded. Interesting tactics in order to get their point across. Some members in this nutrition forum could stand to read this: [linkhttp://forum.dog.com/asp/tm.asp?m=291706]http://forum.dog.com/asp/tm.asp?m=291706[/link]
 
Step back. Take a deep breath. Play fetch.
 
 

I know you have only been on here a couple of days but believe me, that horse has been dead for a very, very, very long time.  Does anyone else find it rather amusing how much talk there is of dead horses on a dog food board?  It's late--maybe it's just me.......[]

I have seem Nutro called premium or mid-grade, depending on who is doing the classifying.  My lab Jack's breeder fed Nurto, and his dogs looked awesome.  I switched him not long after we brought him home (and man am I glad I did) to Eagle Pack, but Nutro can work for many dogs.

Have you read this article yet... It talks about the dog food poisioning product recall...

[linkhttp://www.cnn.com/2007/US/03/17/petfood.recall.ap/index.html]http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/03/17/petfood.recall.ap/index.html[/link]

It goes very nicely with this arcticle here I think...

[linkhttp://health.yahoo.com/experts/weightkoch/6118/vegetarian-diet-variety-may-not-be-enough/comments]http://health.yahoo.com/experts/weightkoch/6118/vegetarian-diet-variety-may-not-be-enough/comments[/link]

Do you really want to be feeding your dog Wheat Gluten after reading that? I don't think so... I will admit I have never checked the dog food which I feed my pug with to see if it has wheat gluten in it or not but There are alot of dog products which advertise wheat gluten free and I guess everybody else has known something about the stuff all along...


I usually feed my pug Foundations which is a Petcurean product and they are not on that list of recalled products thank god... But I do know that I only carry the best food for my dog. I know exactly what a major corporation has in mind when they make dog food... and it is not the health of the animal...

There... are you happy now...

Many of the foods that I consider mid-grade, like Nutro and Royal Canin are STILL called premiums.  I'm not saying that they ARE premiums, I'm saying that PREMIUM is what they are called.
 
Now this is going solely on memory, which does tend to be faulty, but as I recall, when the first "better" foods were introduced they were called premium because they were such a step above the sawdust and floor sweepings we were able to get then.  Those better than THAT are called super premiums.  Yes, it's a matter of semantics, but lets at least get it right.  And actually, the first time I was able to find INNOVA, it was at a Petco.......
 
FWIW, I have no personal interest in Blue.  But, from what I have learned, yes, it is a food I would endorse, with qualifications since I've not used it long enough to come to a full conclusion.

Do you really want to be feeding your dog Wheat Gluten after reading that? I don't think so... I will admit I have never checked the dog food which I feed my pug with to see if it has wheat gluten in it or not but I do carry Wheat Free products in my store and I guess everybody else has known something about the stuff all along...

..............................looks like another advertisement!

Uh huh!
 
People trying to capitolize on the fears of others and the tragic events of this recall is just sickening.

Okay Okay... I will change it... and I will also take this as an opportunity to express my disgust at Dylan for his attack on me. There is absolutely nothing sickening about providing information or product which is a healthier and better choice for your dog.

And when I am a millionaire for capitalizing on the fears of others I will be sure to fly you to my house so we can party on my yacht. We can eat gluten free caviar.

Now will someone please show me where I can save 75% off on a clearance sale?

Ay yi yi. The "glop" is not all the same for wet and dry food. Whoever wrote that Slate article doesn't know what they're talking about. Most dry dog food is extruded and needs to be formulated in a particular way for the extrusion process to work. Canned food is formulated differently because it is not extruded, it is canned. They may get their ingredients from the same source, but otherwise it is a different product.

Lots of plants produce both "generic" AND "super-duper-ultra-premium" on the same equipment by contracting out their services. The contractors choose the recipe and ingredients for their formula and can also choose the supplier of those ingredients themselves or let the manufacturing facility choose the supplier. The ingredients may be COMPLETELY different, but technically they are made by the same manufacturer, just for different customers. Very few companies are big enough to afford their own manufacturing facility and the employees to run it. This is common way to produce everything from newspapers to car parts. I'll try to research which "premiums" have their own production facilities when I have more time. I do know a couple premium/Mid-ranges like Merrick & Diamond also produce other grades of food.

If you read the recall info carefully, you'll also notice that only two plants are affected. Other plants that use different suppliers are not. So even the same brand, same recipe foods could be unaffected if they were made at a different plant that used a different supplier. Conversely, other brands of food made at a other plants by other manufacturers could theoretically be affected if they used the same supplier. It's not as simple as "'everything made by these people is bad." If only life could be so simple.

 I do know a couple premium/Mid-ranges like Merrick & Diamond also produce other grades of food.

 
From what I understand Diamond is a very very large plant. That is why they produce so many other foods. Dont know about Merrick.

ORIGINAL: glenmar

Many of the foods that I consider mid-grade, like Nutro and Royal Canin are STILL called premiums.  I'm not saying that they ARE premiums, I'm saying that PREMIUM is what they are called.

I agree. I've actually seen a catagorized list that had store brands at the bottom of the list, Dog Chow listed as a premium, and Purina ONE listed as a super premium. It's all in the eye of the beholder.

I, for one, consider Ol' Roy, Dog Chow, etc as low grade. Mid grade would be Nutro Natural Choice, Royal Canin, Chicken Soup for the Dog Lover's Soul, Purina ONE, etc. Timberwolf Organics, Eagle Pack, Innova, etc would top grade on my list. For other's though, they might consider other foods to be higher on the list then I do.

Bottom line, if your dog does well on a certain food, who cares what type of food it is.

I will also take this as an opportunity to express my disgust at Dylan for his attack on me. There is absolutely nothing sickening about providing information or product which is a healthier and better choice for your dog.

 
Actually, that was me "attacking" you, not Dyan. SHE just pointed out that your post sounded like an advertisment.
 
While providing nutritional information is a part of this forum, those that come here after such an event (as the recall) and start tooting their own horn (selling their products or website) just leaves a real sour taste in the mouth.
 
While I sell et food, I would NEVER come on here and say, NANA NANA BOO BOO, my dog food is not tainted and it's healthier than that crap your feeding (the poor dog). It's just not in very good taste (no pun intended).
Now before you jump me or take offense, this is NOT aimed AT you, but there have been quite a few new memebers joining since this recall that have come on here to gloat, cause problems, express concerns for others dogs diets, etc, with little regard to those members who have been here for quite some time. This board has changed alot in the (nearly) two years I've been here and is much more pleasent than it used to be. We like it this way and don't want to see the firestorm start all over again.
If my comments offended you, my appologies.
 
PS: we don't have a problem with people who own their own businesses (that's a bit condesending).
 

and I will also take this as an opportunity to express my disgust at Dylan for his attack on me.

 
YIKES! What a riot!  Might he Dylan mean me,,,Dyan?
I said one line if you look and read again...it was:

..............................looks like another advertisement!