My vet strongly suggested I take Ella off raw

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    Maybe try a premade packaged raw, like Nature's Variety.  No offense, but maybe your mix is off.

    Look into Nature's Logic dry.  It's free of synthetic vitamins and minerals, like raw.  It's the only food Joey didn't have greasy, icky stools on or constipation.  It contains alot of Probiotics, which is probably why Joey digests it so well.http://www.natureslogic.com/
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    ORIGINAL: chewbecca

    ORIGINAL: Chuffy

    ORIGINAL: chewbecca

    Ella is flaring up with skin issues again.
    The vet thinks it's...gosh I cannot remember what it's called, but dogs can often get it from licking a spot too much it's got "lick" in the name. ?


    Lick granuloma

    Do I get a gold star?

    I can see where diet can play a part, but this is often behavioural. Boredom/stress contributes. My brothers dog ALWAYS got one when he went to kennels though his food never changed. The dog wouldn't be too happy about being in the kennels (bored/stressed) and he'd lick at his front leg and keep doing it and doing it and doing it. The first time my brother thought he'd actually harmed himself because it looked pink but the vet assured him it was iron in the dogs saliva causing the discolouration, not blood. So in direct response to the OP, if the dog seems OK otherwise on the food she's on, consider other ways to cure the obsessive licking through training and increased stimulation.


    I think you have hit the nail on the head with the sore on her leg. And yes! You can have ALL THE GOLD STARS!!! hahaha. That is what it is called!

    The boredom part makes sense since she is crated more during the day on 2 days out of the week. And she hasn't been wanting to take long walks due to the weather. I've been TRYING to work with her on the treadmill, but luring her with a treat in front of the treadmill, is not teaching her how to keep walking on the treadmill once it's on. I work on her training with her and take her to training weekly. She'll get way more stimulation this weekend as the entire family is home all at once and my children and I will play catch inside with her.
    Winter time sucks for those of us without fenced in yards and dogs who DISLIKE going outside other than to do their potty stuff.


    I feel bad that Luvntzus didn't get a gold star for saying it was lick granuloma in post number six[:(]
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    Holy crap!
    I didn't even see Luvuntus post!

    Well, Chuffy will have to split those gold stars in half and share with Luvuntus.
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    ORIGINAL: chewbecca

    Holy crap!
    I didn't even see Luvuntus post!

    Well, Chuffy will have to split those gold stars in half and share with Luvuntus.

    And with UrbanBeagles (post number 8) -- "...... What I know is that I had a dog with "perfect" ears, in excellent health as described by his vet, and the next year, after a few months on raw, the first of the ear infections began. Then conjuctivitis. Then what I believe your vet mentioned your dog had - was it a lick granuloma? Thats what my Thunder was diagnosed with. His coat had always been flawless. Everyone complimented this dog's glossy fur! Until he was on raw for two years and the black began to fade out and turn grey, and good Lord, the shedding was incredable! ......"
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    ORIGINAL: Lilea

    ORIGINAL: chewbecca

    Holy crap!
    I didn't even see Luvuntus post!

    Well, Chuffy will have to split those gold stars in half and share with Luvuntus.

    And with UrbanBeagles (post number 8) -- "...... What I know is that I had a dog with "perfect" ears, in excellent health as described by his vet, and the next year, after a few months on raw, the first of the ear infections began. Then conjuctivitis. Then what I believe your vet mentioned your dog had - was it a lick granuloma? Thats what my Thunder was diagnosed with. His coat had always been flawless. Everyone complimented this dog's glossy fur! Until he was on raw for two years and the black began to fade out and turn grey, and good Lord, the shedding was incredable! ......"


    For the love of god!
    FINE.
    Gold stars across the board for the lick granuloma!

    Anything else you'd like to point out?
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    ORIGINAL: chewbecca

    ORIGINAL: Lilea

    ORIGINAL: chewbecca

    Holy crap!
    I didn't even see Luvuntus post!

    Well, Chuffy will have to split those gold stars in half and share with Luvuntus.

    And with UrbanBeagles (post number 8) -- "...... What I know is that I had a dog with "perfect" ears, in excellent health as described by his vet, and the next year, after a few months on raw, the first of the ear infections began. Then conjuctivitis. Then what I believe your vet mentioned your dog had - was it a lick granuloma? Thats what my Thunder was diagnosed with. His coat had always been flawless. Everyone complimented this dog's glossy fur! Until he was on raw for two years and the black began to fade out and turn grey, and good Lord, the shedding was incredable! ......"


    For the love of god!
    FINE.
    Gold stars across the board for the lick granuloma!

    Anything else you'd like to point out?

    Hehe, no, I just didn't want them to feel bad for not getting noticed;)  I hope I wasn't too aggrivating.  I do hope your doggy gets better[:D]
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    On this website [linkhttp://www.volhard.com/holistic/artbywv.htm]http://www.volhard.com/holistic/artbywv.htm[/link] says a lack of polyunsaturated fats can result in skin problems so maybe Ella's mising some of those fats . But to be honest I don't really know just thought that might be helpful[:)] It's near the bottom of the page so scroll down.
    edit for link and spelling
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    It's a lick granuloma! I want a gold star too!!! [sm=dance.gif][sm=rotfl.gif]

    Yes, unfortunately it seems like dogs that have a tendency to start developing reactions to foods, will continue to do so throughout their lifetime.

    However, Ben actually was able to add a couple things back INTO his diet that were no-nos, once we got his system on an even keel most of the time. He had problems with beef until about four years ago, and vension up to last year. So those memory cells don't have perfect memory either. A vet explained to me that tissue loss or, um, something else, can actually cause the cells that have that memory to vanish. It's why we need boosters every so often to maintain protection against disease.

    But if you introduce it and cause a flareup, then you are back to square one (sorry, Jennie and Emma). That goes back to the "danger" theory of immunological response.
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    ORIGINAL: tzu_mom

    There are actualyy losts of wheat free treats these days.

    Solid Gold Jerky Treats
    Wellness Pure Rewards--no grains
    Zuke's Jerky Naturals
    Canz Real Meat Treats---no grains
    Stella & Chewy's Carnivore Crunch--no grain----my guy's FAVORITE



    Solid Gold Jerky Treats and Wellness Pure Rewards are the only treats that I give Gingerbread. My local petstore has them. I think they're probably easier to find than the others on your list because the stores that carry Solid Gold and Wellness food usually also have the treats
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    ORIGINAL: Lilea

    I feel bad that Luvntzus didn't get a gold star for saying it was lick granuloma in post number six[:(]


    Awww, Lilea you're too sweet! [:)]
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    ORIGINAL: brookcove

    It's a lick granuloma! I want a gold star too!!! [sm=dance.gif][sm=rotfl.gif]

    [sm=lol.gif]


    He had problems with beef until about four years ago, and vension up to last year. So those memory cells don't have perfect memory either. A vet explained to me that tissue loss or, um, something else, can actually cause the cells that have that memory to vanish. It's why we need boosters every so often to maintain protection against disease.

    interesting, i didnt know that about the vaccine thing.
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    ORIGINAL: Luvntzus

    ORIGINAL: Lilea

    I feel bad that Luvntzus didn't get a gold star for saying it was lick granuloma in post number six[:(]


    Awww, Lilea you're too sweet! [:)]

    And Gingerbread is GORGEOUS!![sm=happy.gif]
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    Has anyone considered dietary imbalances? All of my raw fed animals flourish without any problems.

    As for the lick granuloma caused by raw...if that was my vet, I'd have rolled my eyes and walked away. The Lick in lick granuloma isn't part of a condition someone pulled outta their butt. My friend had a Dobe who had granulomas ALL over his legs. Dobermans are, well...OCD about licking their paws and legs, same with Boxers and Pits.

    [linkhttp://www.thepetcenter.com/exa/lick.html]"The photos above to the left and right are of an Airedale with a classic case of Lick Granuloma.  (Click on the photos to see a larger version in a new window.)  The dog is perfectly healthy, is on an excellent diet, does not suffer from allergies but does have slight separation anxiety when his owner leaves for work.  In this case the "cause" of the licking specifically at the affected area of skin may be self stimulation to help allay the anxiety of separation from the owner.  The skin lesions will heal slightly, almost seem like they are [/link]
    [linkhttp://www.thepetcenter.com/exa/lick.html] going to heal, and overnight (or during the day while left alone) the lick granuloma is activated, licked raw from continuous passes of the tongue.  Also with this dog, when one of the attempts to break the cycle of licking involved wrapping the lower leg with a cast to keep the dog away from the lesion, he began to make a new one in the same location on the opposite leg!  Now there are TWO LICK GRANULOMAS! (See the photo on the right.) "[/link]

    Also on this website it says that Hypothyroidism could be an underlying cause. you should get Ella in for a thyroid panel.

    CAUSES:
    There are numerous theories and one may apply for one dog and an entirely different theory may be correct for another.  Take your pick...
    1.)   Many dermatologists think that boredom is a major underlying factor in some cases of Acral Lick Granuloma.  The dog's licking
    activity helps pass the time.
    2.)   Some believe that allergic inhalant dermatitis creates stress in the skin resulting in inflammation and pruritus (itching) which triggers the dog's propensity to lick at any convenient area. 
    3.)   A foreign body such as a thistle spine, splinter or bee sting might start up a reaction in the skin which leads to drawing the dog's attention to the spot.
    4.)   Bone or joint pain can draw the dog's attention to the wrist or ankle area and in an attempt to alleviate the discomfort the dog licks over the top of the joint.
    5.)   Psychological stimuli such as separation anxiety, a new pet or child in the home, or neighbor dogs invading the dog's "territory" can create psychological stress.  Self stimulation such as picking out an area to concentrate on and licking for extended periods of time are a way for the dog to relieve the "stress".
    6.)   Hypothyroidism has played a role in some cases of Acral Lick Granuloma.   Especially in Black Labs with lick granulomas it would be a good idea to have the Thyroid Gland function checked.  Thyroid medication may just be what the dog needs to have those skin lesions resolve.

    So with that said, I think the granulomas are NOT caused by diet. If anything, the skin infection was caused by something you were feeding her, and therefore caused her to incessently lick. You also mentioned feeding Ella wheat liver and garlic treats. Don't give those to her anymore. She could possibly get sick from the garlic, and the wheat could possibly be contributing to health issues. I make my own treats. Joy doesn't have any flour or wheat sensitivities, so I make her peanut butter oatmeal liver treats. Our malinois Knox has major allergies to any thing not raw, so we only give him bits of dehydrated liver. To cut down costs, we bought a dehydrated and make them ourselves, WARNING: DEHYDRATING SMELLS ONE MILLION TIMES WORSE THAN BAKING...REFRAIN FROM DOING IT INDOORS
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    Or, you can make homemade liver treats with oat flour. And if you can't find it, just put oatmeal in the blender and turn it into flour yourself.

     
    Yes, someone told me to do this, and it is simple.[;)]
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    belgmal girl,

    My vet didn't say that her lick granuloma was caused by her raw diet.
    The lick granuloma is seperate from the bumps on the rest of her body.
    She did find some small sores between the pads on her paws that she thinks is caused by the same thing that is on her body.

    I don't plan on giving her the treats anymore.[:D]