Myths about protein dispelled...

Plenty of people DO eat by-products! Liver and onions, "chitlins", hotdogs, etc

 
Like me, my female gets indigestion sometimes.  So, I do think- like a lot in life, what is good for some may not be good for another!  However, you should consider what it is we feed or eat even if you don't feel sick from it.  Some things would be best left on the plate or in the bowl! 
 
 

don't think it's rocket science to realize that feeding something to your pet that you wouldn't touch yourself with a 10 foot pole, is rather absurd. Imagine telling your family as they sit down for their dinner meal, " And this is made with meat byproducts" . That should do wonders for the appetite and their life expectancy as well....

 
I h ave a son that will not touch shrimp, fish, lobster, duck, quail, deer with a 10 foot pole.  The other would not touch Brussel Sprouts with a 10 foot pole.  I h ave a cousin who will  not touch lettuce, tomatoes cabbage,  green beans, etc with a 10 foot pole.  Are we suppose to assume these foods are no good because they wouldn't touch them?  I love calf liver, chicken liver, gizzards and heart, cow tongue but i am sure most here do not eat these things.  Does that make them bad for our dogs because so m any here won't eat them?    My hubby likes pickled pigs feet (YUK) and many in other countries consider chicken feet  delicacy.  I like fried pork skins.  Tripe soup seems to be a favorite with the Hispanic population for New year's Day (I was told this last week by a hispanic man).
 
Dogs eat pig ears, pig noses,  and worst of all in my mind, bully sticks (i almost fainted when I found out what bully sticks were.  Wonder how many humans would eat THAT) etc and I would consider all these by-products. 
 
I have no problem in the least with by-products because not for one second do i think they are feathers, teeth, horns, etc.  I think it is parts of the critters our dogs would eat if they were to catch and kill on their own.

But Sandra, there may be a reason that folks or an animal refuses certain food items.  Maybe not full blown allergic reactions however sensititivities can make a person (or an animal) not feel well.  It could be from biochemical to physiological non -acceptance of a kind of food item or by product.

It really surprises  me reading some of the comments in the  posts on this "Nutrition Forum" of the lack of concern by many about the garbage that they feed their pets, or themselves for that matter.  I could see many of these same people on a human nutrition forum discusing that there is nothing wrong with eating hotdogs, coldcuts, saturated fat, triglycerides, artifical preservatives, milk with antibiotic content, twinkies,  and topping it off with a few cigarettes ( because  aunt Mary smoked 3 packs a day and lived till she was 92)   .  This  is like dog junk food heaven.....[][]

ORIGINAL: Bobsk8

It really surprises  me reading some of the comments in the  posts on this "Nutrition Forum" of the lack of concern by many about the garbage that they feed their pets, or themselves for that matter.  I could see many of these same people on a human nutrition forum discusing that there is nothing wrong with eating hotdogs, coldcuts, saturated fat, triglycerides, artifical preservatives, milk with antibiotic content, twinkies,  and topping it off with a few cigarettes ( because  aunt Mary smoked 3 packs a day and lived till she was 92)   .  This  is like dog junk food heaven.....[][]

How are by-products compared to anything that you mentioned above regarding unhealthy human foods?

ORIGINAL: Bobsk8

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The list of information on how meat meal byproducts are bad for your pet is endless.  I don't think it's rocket science to realize that feeding something to your pet that you wouldn't touch yourself with a 10 foot pole, is rather absurd. Imagine telling your family as they sit down for their dinner meal, " And this is made with meat  byproducts" .  That should do wonders for the appetite and their life expectancy as well....

I just have to note that Mordanna also says this: "Byproducts of any type are only acceptable if they do not make up the main source of animal protein and if the name of the species used is also defined in some manner (such as "poultry byproduct meal (chicken and turkey organ meats only)")."

I personally believe that there are probably some companies that use the 'leftovers' that have little or no nutritional value. But that doesn't mean that all foods containing by-product should be automatically dismissed. The by-products in Ol Roy are probably different than the by-products in some other foods.

It really surprises  me reading some of the comments in the  posts on this "Nutrition Forum" of the lack of concern by many about the garbage that they feed their pets, or themselves for that matter.

We're all as passionate as you are about what we feed our dogs. The majority of us have educated ourselves and made decisions about what we're comfortable with in food. There has been a rising awareness in this forum that many (not all) of these internet articles are very outdated and poorly cited, and some are even just personal opinion. Some of those articles have very little actual value except for being scare tactics.

One thing--when it reads Beef, do you know what part of the cow?  Beef could be any part of the cow.  Packages at the store read ground beef, ground round, ground chuck, beef heart, calf liver, beef tongue, calf brains, etcground round, ground chuck, ground beef.  By seeing ground round I know it is the roud steak ground up, same with ground chuck.  I dont' know what the ground beef consists off=--probaboly the tougher, least tasty parts.   Just reading BEEF on a bag would not tell what part of the cow was used--ground up top sirloin, new york stripe, or part of the insides a little of everything.  Who knows for sure?  Any of it would be BEEF and since people eat almost every part of a cow, any of it could be "human grade".
 
And as to that list of folks and what they wouldn't touch--my son won't eat fish, etc because of what they eat, and he won't eat wild game because he doesn't know for sure what THEY ate.  My other son doesn't like the smell or taste of spouts.  My cousin don't like to eat anything green because he doesn't like that color, tomatoes are "to slimey" etc.  Has nothing to do with allergies or sensitive stomaches in any case. 
 
Oh, and a little by story.  When we were coming back from the outlet mall up in San Marcos back in Dec. we stopped at a place to eat supper, a former Golden Corral which was still set up the same way.  Son had gone to get a couple more things and so had I.  When i got back to the table he told me  "try this it is great with broccoli and mushrooms and pasta."  I tasted it and knew it was a seafood salad.  I told him it was  seafood salad.  He went back to the salad bar, looked, saw that it was seafood salad, came back and scraped it off his plate into the palte rolls had been on.  He loved it til he knew what it was.

ORIGINAL: Bobsk8

It really surprises  me reading some of the comments in the  posts on this "Nutrition Forum" of the lack of concern by many about the garbage that they feed their pets, or themselves for that matter.  I could see many of these same people on a human nutrition forum discusing that there is nothing wrong with eating hotdogs, coldcuts, saturated fat, triglycerides, artifical preservatives, milk with antibiotic content, twinkies,  and topping it off with a few cigarettes ( because  aunt Mary smoked 3 packs a day and lived till she was 92)   .  This  is like dog junk food heaven.....[][]

Now hold on a minute. Since when do I feed my pets garbage or have a "lack of concern" about what I feed them? In my example with the liver, hotdogs, etc. my point was only that people do eat by-products.

As I said, I think the bulk of a dog's diet should be muscle meat, but please let me know how feeding organs along with it is unhealthy.

Meat by-products are crap in my opinion and they are used in the cheapest pet foods that are on the market.  They are made up many times from dead, and diseased and dying animals......  I don't know about you, but I am not feeding that junk to my pet......

To each their own,,,but there is nothing about this statement that I agree with.
I don't look for food with by-products,,,I don't even feed food with by-products,,,but I don't believe that ANY food is any longer made from DDDs,,, (thats another subject all together)   It was a long while back so I don't remember the conversation well enough to repeat it,,but I talked to a person from BilJac for quite a long time and they explained to me about by-products that they use...nothing bad about them at all. But of course if you don't want to believe them,,,well, like I said "to each their own!"

ORIGINAL: dyan

Meat by-products are crap in my opinion and they are used in the cheapest pet foods that are on the market.  They are made up many times from dead, and diseased and dying animals......  I don't know about you, but I am not feeding that junk to my pet......

To each their own,,,but there is nothing about this statement that I agree with.
I don't look for food with by-products,,,I don't even feed food with by-products,,,but I don't believe that ANY food in any longer made from DDDs,,, (thats another subject all together)   It was a long while back so I don't remember the converation well enough to repeat it,,but I talked to a person from BilJac for quite a long time and they explained to me about by-products that they use...nothing bad about them at all. But of course if you don't want to believe them,,,well, like I said "to each their own!"

Well said, Dyan []

I just spoke to a good friend of mine who is a Doctor at the CDC and is pretty high up in that government organization.  He said he wouldn't feed is pets, or anyone for that matter, any kind of food from a rendering plant.  He says that many diseases are probably caused by eating meat from sick and diseased , and dead animals that almost every rendering plant uses as ingredients for it's products.  He also said that it is a billion dollar business and one that couldn't care less about your pet having it's life cut short from diabetes, cancer, nerve problems, or any of the other illnesses that dogs come down with, when they are just middle age. They will claim that their by-products are the healthiest things since vitamins were invented, and they really have no idea about what is actually in the garbage they sell to pet food companies........ Now this person is actually a Doctor, not a hobbiest that wrote a book, or someone studying be something at some future date.

ORIGINAL: Bobsk8

I just spoke to a good friend of mine who is a Doctor at the CDC and is pretty high up in that government organization.  He said he wouldn't feed is pets, or anyone for that matter, any kind of food from a rendering plant.  He says that many diseases are probably caused by eating meat from sick and diseased , and dead animals that almost every rendering plant uses as ingredients for it's products.  He also said that it is a billion dollar business and one that couldn't care less about your pet having it's life cut short from diabetes, cancer, nerve problems, or any of the other illnesses that dogs come down with, when they are just middle age. They will claim that their by-products are the healthiest things since vitamins were invented, and they really have no idea about what is actually in the garbage they sell to pet food companies........ Now this person is actually a Doctor, not a hobbiest that wrote a book, or someone studying be something at some future date.

I agree Bobsk8.  Like I said, if I pick up deer road kill I'm more certain about the quality of 'by-products' my dogs would eat than if I bought kibble made with by-products. I'm going to stick to my no by products rule thanks.

Paula

Why are you applying the 4D (dead, diseased, etc) only to by-products. What about muscle meat?

ORIGINAL: Luvntzus

Why are you applying the 4D (dead, diseased, etc) only to by-products. What about muscle meat?

I don't recall bringing up what D4 meats are at all.  Can you clarify which of my posts you are referring to? If you go back in the thread you will see where I said that I'd bet if I gave my dog a kibble with no by-products and supplemented with chicken hearts, livers and gizzards on my own, they would have meals with a higher proportion of muscle meat than if I used a food with by-products (which, by definition are not muscle meat but offal).

Paula

Paula

nothing wrong with eating hotdogs, coldcuts

I eat that, and packaged bologna and other stuff preserved with bht. It's what helps me look so young.[]
 
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