Ok I admit it

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    ron2

    I wanted to highlight what you write Liesje. Limited ingredients, indeed. Some of the holistic foods are so full of a bunch things. And they might even do well with small breeds that can't eat much at one time. One of my challenges for Shadow is his Siberian Husky metabolism. It came about through thousands of years of being the fastest sled dog ever on not very much food. Consequently, the Siberian does best on a very simple diet. Too much stuff, I think, would stress his system. I once tried him on Innova, long considered the king or queen of dog foods and I know it's a good food. But it messed with his immune system. So, I had kept him on Nutro for quite some time because it was a basic and simple food that worked so well for him. Then, Nutro got sold to Mars and like any corporate giant, they couldn't resist messing with something that already worked. When they started making his old formula again, I put him back on it only to find his coat drying and I had to add Missing Link. Anyway, I think any dog should be started on simple food, if possible. For one thing, in the event of food allergies (not always common) or immune system responses (I think more common), it is easier to eliminate the problems.

    Copied straight from another foods website these are the ingrediants in another food i was thinking of feeding them. In this food there is rice but no corn so it will atleast help see if that is what has been making her suffer so bad. Let me know what you guys think of these ingrediants.

    Ingredients:
    Chicken, eggs, chicken liver, chicken broth, carrots, brown rice, peas, rice bran, carrageenan, salt, natural flavors.

    Vitamins:
    Choline chloride, vitamin E supplement, niacin, biotin, riboflavin supplement, manganous oxide, thiamine mononitrate, vitamin B12 supplement, vitamin D3 supplement, pyridoxine hydrochloride, folic acid.

    Minerals:
    Calcium carbonate, zinc proteinate, iron proteinate, ferrous sulfate, zinc oxide, copper proteinate, copper sulfate, niacin, manganese proteinate, manganous oxide, thiamine mononitrate, calcium iodate, sodium selenite.

     

    oh I dont know why but I forgot to mention that what you said makes a lot of sence

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    I've used it, but primarily for treats. It smells like bologna! My dogs adore it. It's kind of pricy to use as a full food, if you ask me. You can get better food, for the price, it's just convenient and smelly.

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    Fed that one as well.  It is super salty and made my dogs drink- a LOT.  But they loved it and did well on it and was actually cost effective to feed it. 
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    shamrockmommy

     

    Fed that one as well.  It is super salty and made my dogs drink- a LOT.  But they loved it and did well on it and was actually cost effective to feed it. 

    Abby drinks a ton of water as is so it wouldn't be anything new for her to drink more water. What would be new would be if Abby actually ATE the food. I have had her for a little over a year and just getting her to eat dry food is incredibly difficult she'll go 2-3 days on end without eating but mix in canned food or give her treats or human food she'll eat those questions asked but to get her to eat kibble yeah right. and I refuse to feed her only canned food as that would come out to be MORE than dry food but this may come out to be about the same as what I currently am feeding and it seems a lot healthier for them than pedigree (which come to find out does not even list what kind of meat they use it just says meat).

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    My dog is also very picky, and wouldn't really eat kibble when I got him. When I got him, he was being fed Science Diet. When I changed his food to a better quality kibble, he decided he did like kibble after all! His favorites, taste-wise, were Royal Canin (not my favorite food and a bit overpriced, but it's not bad) and Innova EVO (which is very rich). If you get a kibble that's heavily meat-based, it will probably smell better and therefore be more appealing to your picky pooch. :) Another option is Honest Kitchen - it's sort of like a dog food gruel (only meat/veggie based, not grain-y). You mix it with water like you would with oatmeal. My picky dog goes crazy for it. Might be worth a shot. Also, are your dog's teeth okay? Is there a chance she's turning down the dry food because her teeth hurt when she crunches it?
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    Abby's teeth are great I don't think it hurts her to crunch down on kibble because she will eat dog biscuts, chew on her kong, sneak bones (when we have ribs) and even chew on wood in my grandmothers back yard I used to feed my dogs Royal Canin because I was stupid and listened to my vet who said thats the absoulte best on the market well Bianica still had issues and Abby wouldn't touch it but I'm not sure if it's because she doesn't like it or if it was because she was still adjusting to a new home and because of the fact I wasn't able to bring her with me to visit my mom (I was allowed to bring Bianica though) I had to leave her at my grandmas house for those two weeks. Then when I lost my job I started feeding them what my dad feeds which is Purina Dog Chow and because I am JUST now starting to be able to buy better food I need the dogs food to be reasonably priced and I think it will be easier to pay the $72.59 for a bag of dog food if I slowly increase the cost of food every few months. The only time I've ever heard of honest kitchen is on a ferret fourm so I will have to look into that.

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    So it is decided tomorrow when i go buy dog food I will be buying Iams I know it's not the best but it is a step up from pedigree

    • Silver
    GoldensAreTheBest

    So it is decided tomorrow when i go buy dog food I will be buying Iams I know it's not the best but it is a step up from pedigree

    Why not go to Costco and get Kirklands or Natures domain at least it does not have by-products or bha/bht
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    Dawnben
    GoldensAreTheBest

    So it is decided tomorrow when i go buy dog food I will be buying Iams I know it's not the best but it is a step up from pedigree

    Why not go to Costco and get Kirklands or Natures domain at least it does not have by-products or bha/bht

    I won't feed my dogs kirklands because Bianica doesn't do good on it and I've never heard of Natures domain I will have to look into that. However I did get the Iams Large breed formula and Abby actually ate it. However not sure if she ate it because she likes it or just decided she was going to eat today so I will know for sure tomorrow if she eats it then but I'm not giving it to her in her bowl like usual instead I'm going to make her work for it  one kibble at a time  so maybe I will have her almost as well behaved as Bianica.

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    So today is day four on Iams large breed and Abby has ate her food ALL of it since switching to Iams I wasn't sure the first few days because the first day she ate it but I wasn't sure if she ate cause she likes it or because she was just that hungry then the second day I took someones advice from here and used each and every kibble to get her to learn the down command which worked relatively well but still wasn't convinced if she liked or I just managed to trick her into thinking it's a treat. So yesterday I had to leave for work and since I was going into my moms that night I had crated Abby with her food bowl for a couple hours then went back and it was ALL gone that is the FIRST time in OVER A YEAR that she ate her food not just a couple days in a row but ALL the food.

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    I hope you don't mind me chiming in, I think its great you got your dog to eat. And your right IAMS is a slight improvement from Pedigree, but I really think you should read this article about Dog Food. I'm not sure if I'm allowed to post a link with info from another forum, but I'll copy and paste the article here, I apologize mods if thats not allowed. I just think this would really help you pick a good dog food and really learn more about how much you can actually save from buying a higher quality dog food. I've had to be on a budget in the past too so I do understand and I'm not trying to make you feel bad or anything about the food you picked, but I saw what you picked and thought this article might help Smile

     This is really long, but really helpful. I removed the name of the other forum just incase, I should really read the rules about that lol Smile

    So You Are Confused By Dog Food- Author Sedona and Gunner PAWS

     INTRODUCTION
    You’re probably reading this because you’ve just learned the dog food you are feeding your dog is garbage or maybe you’re just reading this to get some more info. Maybe you’ve been looking for a new food but you just don’t know how to get started. What ever the case may be this is a guide to help you pick out a good healthy food for your dog.

    First, dogs are carnivores. See those sharp teeth they have? Those are for crunching bones and tearing flesh. If dogs were meant to eat lots of grains, fruits, and veggies they’d have flat molars like humans and bears. Remember learning about the Brontosaurus and the Tyrannosaurus Rex? The main differences between the two dinosaurs were their teeth and diet. The Brontosaurus had flat teeth for eating and grinding plants, and the T-Rex had sharp teeth for eating meat. Dogs have the same kind of teeth as the T-Rex did. They are carnivores, not herbivores or omnivores. Carnivores need MEAT, not a bunch of plants. Okay, now we have that out of the way.

    HOW TO PICK A MEATY KIBBLE
    The first step in picking out a wholesome kibble is to make sure there is plenty of meat in the food. For example, if chicken is listed as the first ingredient and there is no other meat listed, there isn’t enough meat in the food. Here’s why; all animals are made up of mostly water, and water is heavy. The ingredients on all bags of dog food are listed by weight. Once the chicken is cooked and all that water is taken out, the chicken weighs a whole lot less. So in reality, there is much less chicken meat in the food than there is of the other first 5 (or so) ingredients.

    If chicken meal is listed as the first ingredient there is a probably good amount of meat in the food. Chicken meal is regular ole chicken meat that’s already been cooked and its water has been taken out. You can think of chicken meal as a cousin to chicken jerky. Since it’s already been cooked the weight of the chicken meal won’t change during processing.

    If you don’t quite catch the meaning of that, here’s an analogy to help out a little. Imagine the difference between one balloon filled with water that weighs 3 pounds, and 3 pounds worth of empty balloons. You have to have a lot of empty balloons to make three pounds right? Well that’s how it is with chicken and chicken meal. Chicken is full of water just like the water balloon. Once they cook the 3 pounds worth chicken to make kibble the chicken shrinks because all the water is out of it. It’s like if you were to empty the water balloon. The amount of meat is hardly anything compared to already cooked 3 pounds of chicken meal, and the size of the empty water balloon is nothing compared to the 3 pounds of the empties.

    Ideally you want a food that has both a whole meat and a meat meal. Although a meat meal (like chicken meal, beef meal, lamb meal, salmon meal, etc) is a good thing to find on your ingredient list, that stuff is overly cooked. Since it has spent so much time in the oven at really high temperatures, it has a lot of the nutrition cooked out of it. A regular meat source (like chicken, beef, lamb, salmon, etc) would have a more vitamins and minerals compared to the meal form, but a meal provides a whole lot of meat based protein. That’s why it’s good to have both.

    BY-PRODUCTS AND UGLY STUFF
    Now, you might scratching you head and wondering why the label on the back of the bag of your dog food doesn’t actually say chicken or chicken meal but says chicken by-product meal. Well, as it turns out you haven’t been feeding your dog much meat.

    SPECIFIED MEAT BY-PRODUCTS
    The organization who is in charge of dog food, the AAFCO, thinks it is okay for your dog to eat by-products. Well, they are half right. Specified meat by-products are the dry, ground, rendered, parts of slaughtered animals. Depending on the animal (chicken, beef, pork, salmon, etc) these by-products include heads, necks, feet, intestines, bones, undeveloped eggs, connective tissues, and a whole slew of other stuff left over from human processing. If your dog was feral and had to hunt for herself this is all stuff she’d eat anyway, so no biggie right? Not really. By-products don’t include one important thing; MEAT! For all intents and purposes by-products are meat-less. Remember this, chicken heads and feet are fine for a dog to eat, but the majority of their diet should come from meat. Dogs need meat to be their healthiest. So if the kibble doesn’t list a meat (like chicken or beef) or a meat meal (like salmon meal or lamb meal) and only has meat by-products, you aren’t giving your pet carnivore much meat.

    UNSPECIFICED MEAT PRODUCTS
    Okay, now some of you are going “Hey, my bag of food doesn’t even mention a specific animal. What gives?” If your bag of food has ingredients like poultry meal, fish meal, meat meal, liver meal, meat and bone meal, etc it’s best to just throw that food away right now. There is no telling what kind of animals are in that food. There could raccoon road kill or even cats and dogs in that food. That’s right! There are no laws preventing companion animals being made into pet food. As sick as that is, it’s the truth.


    CARBOHYDRATES
    Okay so you’ve found a food that has a good amount of meat without any uglies in it. Now what do you do? You need to take a second to look over the carbohydrate sources in the food. There are many different sources of carbohydrates used in kibble. You want a food that uses WHOLE forms of carbohydrates. Whole forms of carbs have more nutritional value than fragments. The main reason dog food makers use fragments is to beef up the protein levels in the food. There isn’t enough protein in the food because there isn’t any meat.

    Here’s some examples of whole vs. fragment:
    White Rice is whole, Brewers Rice is a fragment.
    Potato is whole, Potato Product is a fragment.
    Oatmeal is whole, Oat Hulls are fragments.

    Do you see where I’m going with this? If there are extra words attached to the name of the carb more often than not, it’s a fragment. Besides, would you eat something called Potato Product? I think not.

    If there are multiple carbohydrate sources in the food keep in mind that all those different carbs add up. If there are only one or two meat sources listed and five carbohydrate sources, there is a possibility that there are more carbs than meat in the food.


    FILLERS
    Fillers are just junky stuff no one uses so dog food makers throw it in food. It has no real nutritional value except as a source of fiber. Fiber is a good thing, but you can get fiber from other sources like the white rice and oatmeal I wrote about above. Avoid ingredients like Corn Bran, Oat Hulls, Rice Hulls, Wheat Middlings, and Cellulose. Those are floor sweepings, seriously. There are other fillers that aren’t so bad. A little doesn’t hurt but if there are more than a couple fillers in the food it’s probably best to avoid it. Some of the better fillers are Tomato Pomace, Apple Pomace, Citrus Pulp, and Dried Beet Pulp. Just make sure there isn’t a ton of that stuff in there. Remember that the ingredients on the bag are listed by weight so if a filler comes before a good ingredient, there is more filler than the good stuff.

    FAT
    Fat is probably the second most important ingredient besides meat. Good healthy fats are essential to your dog’s health. Okay, remember reading about the unspecified meat sources in the food. Well, there can be unspecified fat sources in the food too. If your ingredient list says poultry fat, it’s an unspecified fat source. Yuck. If they aren’t honest enough to list what kind of animal is in the food, then that company isn’t going to get my business. If it says chicken fat then YAY! Chicken is chicken; we all know what that is. This goes for all types of fats not just chicken. If it says animal fat, that’s no good. If it says pork fat then it’s good. Get it? Knowing what species your dog is eating is important.

    OIL AS FAT
    Some companies use oils as their fat source. That’s fine. I prefer oils made from animals (like Salmon Oil) as opposed to plant sources (like Flaxseed Oil or Canola Oil) because my dog is a carnivore. If your dog doesn’t have a problem with plants oils (like allergies and such) then you’re probably all right. Just make sure it doesn’t say Vegetable Oil because that’s unspecified and could have some scary stuff in there.

    FLAVOR ENHANCERS
    Ha, it’s pretty funny when you think about. These low quality dog foods are so terrible they actually have to add flavor and smell to the kibble to make dogs want to eat it.

    Tallow and Lard are two very bad forms of fat. These fats are nutritionally shallow. They aren’t a good source of linoleic acid which is important to a dog’s health, and are just there because they smell and taste appealing to canines.

    You also want to look out for anything called digest. Digest is like a big stew of just about everything except the kitchen sink. Then they take that soupy mess and add it into the kibble or spray it on after the kibble is made. It has zero nutritional value and its presence on an ingredient list is proof that the food is crap.

    Sugar, Sorbitol, Cane Molasses, Fructose, and Corn Syrup are all sweeteners. As yummy as candy and sweet stuff is, dogs don’t need that junk. Sweeteners can lead to obesity, Diabetes, and tooth decay. It’s not fun to be obese, sick, and toothless.

    CHEMICALS
    Dog food is chalk full of chemicals and dogs have to eat these chemical ridden foods everyday. Chemicals can build up in their bodies and cause sickness.

    You want to avoid artificial colors and dyes like Blue 2, Red 40, Yellow 5, Yellow 6 and stuff like that. Dogs don’t care what color their food is. Dog food manufactures put that stuff in there so we see the different colors and think the food is better or more appealing. It’s not. That junk is known to cause tumors and other health problems.

    There are also some nasty preservatives you don’t want your dog to be eating. BHA, BHT, Ethoxyquin, and Propyl Gallate are all really bad stuff. BHA and BHT have been banned by a lot of countries because it’s a known human cancer causing agent. It’s still legal in the US though. Don’t risk it. Humans would only eat BHA/BHT once in awhile, but if it’s your pet’s food they’d have to eat it everyday. Bad bad bad. Ethoxyquin is a stabilizer for rubber! It’s been banned for human consumption! It’s been known to cause all kinds of health problems! Steer clear of that stuff PLEASE! Propyl Gallate (aka Gallic Acid or Propyl Ester) is suspected to cause liver disease and cancer. You know, there are other options to preserve foods. Vitamin E, Vitamin C, and Rosemary do just as good of a job as those chemicals! They just happen to be more expensive but they are much safer than that other stuff.

    There’s one more thing you should avoid. It’s located near the end of the ingredient list on that bag of food. It goes by the names Menadione Dimethyl-Pyrimidinol Bisulfate, Menadione Dimethyl-Pyrimidinol Bisulfite, Menadione Sodium Bisulfate Complex, Menadione Sodium Bisulfite, Menadione Sodium Bisulfite Complex, and Vitamin K3. It’s synthetic vitamin K. This is another ugly thing that you should really avoid. It’s been linked to a whole bunch of health problems. There are other whole food and natural ways to get vitamin K in kibble. Manufactures use K3 because it’s cheap.

    WHY YOU SHOULD SWITCH
    Have you noticed any of the following problems with your dog, lack of energy, itchy runny eyes, eye boogers, itchy skin, ears that smell bad, overall doggy odor, dull coat, excessive shedding, large smelly and loose stools? None of those problems are normal for a healthy dog and most can be helped by switching to a better quality food.

    A lot of dogs have food allergies or sensitivities that can cause all those above symptoms. The best way to make sure you’re not feeding things to your dog that their body can’t handle is to have an allergy test done by your Vet. If you’re not too keen on running out and getting your dog tested there are a few things you can do right now to help.

    First, you should find a food that doesn’t have any of the poor quality ingredients I wrote about above. Sometimes that stuff just isn’t giving your dog enough nutrition to be their healthiest. Next you should check to see if there is soy, wheat, or corn in your food. Those are highly allergenic ingredients. A lot of dogs just can’t tolerate those at all. If there is none of that stuff in your food, check out the protein source. If you’ve been feeding the same brand of food or the same kind of protein for awhile your dog could have developed allergies to that kind of meat.

    So if the food you’ve been feeding has an ingredient list that reads like; Chicken, Chicken Meal, White Rice, Brown Rice, Barley etc you want to try a different food that looks nothing like the one you are currently eating. The new food could have an ingredient list like Salmon, Salmon Meal, Oatmeal, Sweet Potato etc. See how different that is? There’s no guarantee that it’s going to cure your dog but I bet it will help your dog.

    SO WHAT IN THE HECK ARE YOU SUPPOSED TO FEED?
    Well, there are lots of good foods out there. Since every dog is different it’s hard for me to say one food is better than another. What one dog does terribly on another dog could do wonderfully on. If you’re looking for a truly awesome and healthy food you’re not going to find it at your local grocery store or Wal-Mart. More than likely you’re going to have to go to a pet specialty store.

    THE PRICE OF PREMIUM
    Premium foods are more expensive. From what I’ve seen, the really good foods average out at about $1.75 a pound whereas the food at the grocery store is about $.75 a pound. Huge difference isn’t it? Not really. The premium foods often have way more calories. So that 20lb bag of premium food that costs $35 it going to outlast the 20lb bag of food that costs $15. You probably think I’m full of it don’t you?

    Okay, let’s break it down:

    Purina Beneful Original has 1674 calories per pound of food. The cost of a 17.6 pound bag on PetFoodDirect.com is $19.49.
    1674 * 17.6 = 29462.4 calories
    So it costs $19.49 for 29463 calories (I rounded up).

    Canidae All Life Stages has 1875 calories per pound of food. The cost of a 20 pound bag on PetFoodDirect.com is 25.79.
    1875 * 20 = 37500 calories
    So it costs $25.79 for 37500 calories.

    That’s almost another 5 pounds worth of food! Sure the price per pound of Canidae is higher, but you’re getting a heck of a lot more food for that price. You’d have to feed a lot less Canidae than you would Beneful, plus the ingredients in Canidae are way better.

    INGREDIENTS COMPARISON
    Since I’ve already used Canidae All Life Stages and Beneful as examples I’m going to go ahead and continue using them. I don’t mean to pick on Beneful. It’s just that it was the only lower quality food that I could find the calories per pound so I used it. The reason I chose Canidae ALS as an example is because I know it’s a great good food at a really reasonable price and it is pretty easy to find. There are many other great foods out there. Don’t think that Canidae is the end all be all of kibble.

    Now let’s compare the ingredients of these two foods. I’m sure you’ve been paying attention so you should be able to pick out all the nasty ingredients right?

    Beneful- Ground yellow corn, chicken by-product meal, corn gluten meal, whole wheat flour, animal fat preserved with mixed-tocopherols (form of Vitamin E), rice flour, beef, soy flour, sugar, sorbitol, tricalcium phosphate, water, salt, phosphoric acid, animal digest, potassium chloride, dicalcium phosphate, sorbic acid (a preservative), L-Lysine monohydrochloride, dried peas, dried carrots, calcium carbonate, calcium propionate (a preservative), choline chloride, added color (Yellow 5, Red 40, Yellow 6, Blue 2), DL-Methionine, Vitamin E supplement, zinc sulfate, ferrous sulfate, Vitamin A supplement, manganese sulfate, niacin, Vitamin B-12 supplement, calcium pantothenate, riboflavin supplement, copper sulfate, biotin, garlic oil, thiamine hydrochloride, pyridoxine hydrochloride, thiamine mononitrate, folic acid, Vitamin D-3 supplement, menadione sodium bisulfite complex (source of Vitamin K activity), calcium iodate, sodium selenite.

    Canidae ALS- Chicken Meal, Turkey Meal, Brown Rice, White Rice, Lamb Meal, Chicken Fat (preserved with Mixed Tocopherols), Herring Meal, Flax Seed, Sun Cured Alfalfa Meal, Sunflower Oil, Chicken, Lecithin, Monocalcium Phosphate, Potassium Chloride, Choline Chloride, Linoleic Acid, Rosemary Extract, Sage Extract, Dried Enterococcus Faecium, Dried Lactobacillus Acidophilus Fermentation Product, Dried Aspergillus Oryzae Fermentation Extract, Dried Bacillus Subtilis Fermentation Extract, Inulin (from Chicory root), Saccharomyces Cerevisiae Fermentation Solubles, Yucca Schidigera Extract, Mixed Tocopherols (source of Vitamin E), Zinc Amino Acid Chelate, Manganese Amino Acid Chelate, Iron Amino Acid Chelate, Copper Amino Acid Chelate, Cobalt Amino Acid Chelate, Vitamin A Supplement, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Ascorbic Acid (source of Vitamin C), Niacin, Thiamine Mononitrate (Vitamin B1), Riboflavin (source of B2), Beta Carotene, Calcium Pantothenate, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (Vitamin B6), Calcium Iodate, Folic Acid, D-Biotin, Sodium Selenite, Papaya, Vitamin B12 Supplement.

    Do I actually need to explain this to you? Nearly every one of the bad ingredients I told you about before is in Beneful. There are two kinds of sugar in the first 10 ingredients. There are unspecified animals sources. There are dyes and nasty chemicals. What gives?

    Do you see any of that junk in Canidae?

    Now don’t you feel ripped off? Where’s the meat and all the fresh foods that are supposed to be in there? If you are like me, you probably thought you were doing good for your dog buying a name brand food. That stuff is supposed to be good right? On the Beneful commercial it shows meat, rice, corn, and vegetables right? Well, where in the heck is that stuff? All I see are corn and chemicals!

    CORN AND LOW QUALITY FOODS
    A good indicator that you have a low quality food is the presence of corn. If you are feeding a food you got at a grocery store, chances are you’re feeding your dog mostly corn. Check the ingredients of the food you have or plan on feeding. Is there corn in there? Is it the first ingredient? Why would a dog need corn and meat-less by-products in their food instead of meat? If you ran out of dog food what would you feed your dog? An ear of corn? I hope not. If you have any sense, you’d most likely feed your dog a piece of meat.

    Why do the big companies like Mars (Nutro, Pedigree, Royal Canin). Procter and Gamble (Iams, Eukanuba), and Nestle (Purina, Alpo) think that dogs don’t need any meat? What are candy and toilet paper making companies doing producing dog food anyway?

    A few of you who are reading this are saying to yourself, “I had a dog live 18 years eating food like that and he was just fine.” Most of you that have a story like that have probably already stopped reading this. That’s okay. This is for the few of you that are still with me. A man named Buster Martin has been a beer drinker and smoker nearly his entire life. He’s 101 years old and he just competed in the London Marathon. If you had a dog live for 18 years eating mostly corn that dog is a genetic marvel just like Buster Martin. Most of us aren’t as lucky as Mr. Martin, and most of our dogs won’t be that lucky either. Dogs have very short life spans and providing them with the nutrition they need is an important way to keep them healthy for as long as possible.

    A QUICK WORD ABOUT CANNED FOOD
    Canned foods are less processed than kibble. They also provide your pet with much needed moisture. How do you know you’re getting a good kind of canned food though? You can use the same method as choosing a kibble. If the ingredient label on the canned food lists stuff like by-products, chemicals, lots of carbohydrate fragments, corn, soy, and other junk don’t get it. Simple as that. You should be able to recognize most of the ingredients in the food as food.

    An example of a good food is: Chicken, Chicken Liver, Chicken Broth, Brown Rice, Eggs, Peas, Carrots, Flaxseed, Spinach, Menhaden Fish Oil, Vitamins (Choline Chloride, L-Ascorbyl-2-Polyphosphate, Vitamin E Supplement, Niacin Supplement, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Vitamin A Supplement, Thiamine Mononitrate, Biotin, Riboflavin Supplement, d-Calcium Pantothenate, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Folic Acid), Dried Kelp, Salt, Taurine, Potassium Chloride, Minerals (Zinc Proteinate, Iron Proteinate, Manganese Proteinate, Copper Proteinate, Sodium Selenite, Ethylenediamine Dihydriodide), Artichokes, Cranberries, Pumpkin, Tomato, Blueberries, Broccoli, Cabbage, Kale, Parsley.


    And an example of a bad food is: Chicken, sufficient water for processing, poultry by-products, brewers rice, carob bean gum, sodium tripolyphosphate, carrageenan, minerals (potassium chloride, zinc sulfate, copper sulfate, potassium iodide), vegetable oil(source of linoleic acid), dried yam, guar gum, natural flavor blend, bay leaves, vitamins (vitamin e, a & d3 supplements, d-calcium pantothenate, thiamine mononitrate {vitamin b1}, biotin.

    PUPPY, ADULT, AND SENIOR FOOD
    There are four main types of dog foods on the market; Puppy, Adult Maintenance, Senior, and All Life Stages. The first three are pretty self explanatory. Puppy food is designed for growing puppies, adult maintenance is designed to maintain the health of an adult, senior formulas are designed for older, less active dogs and they are typically lower calorie versions of the adult. Senior formulas are also notorious for being full of fillers, so make sure to read those ingredient labels. All Life Stages (ALS) foods are designed to be used by every dog no matter the age. It’s really up to you what kind of food you want to buy.

    LARGE BREED PUPPIES NEED DIFFERENT FOODS
    Every dog is an individual, and therefore has unique needs. Large and giant breed puppies for example, should eat foods with a moderate protein percentage, as well as a calcium level of 1.5% or less. Also, it’s important to keep them lean to avoid extra pressure on the joints. These criteria ensure a proper growth rate, and help prevent joint issues in adulthood. Puppy foods, for the most part, should be avoided because they often promote a faster growth rate than is recommended.

    WHAT FOOD ****** DON’T RECOMMEND
    While ******  try not to ostracize anyone because of the food they feed, there are certain foods that are not recommended by the majority of members. Some of these companies listed make prescription foods. If you have a very sick dog that needs special foods, then you might have to feed your dog a food with pretty grody ingredients. Sometimes you just gotta do it. If your dog is very sick, please talk to your vet.

    Take a look at the ingredients of the following foods and try to apply what you’ve learned to see why they aren’t considered that great.
    Alpo
    Beneful
    Dad’s
    Dog Chow
    Iams
    Nutro
    Pedigree
    Purina One
    Pro Plan
    Science Diet
    Royal Canin


    WHAT FOODS *******  DO RECOMMEND
    This is a list of most of the foods frequently recommended (and fed by) ******. Check out their ingredients lists and you’ll see why. All of these recommendations are for healthy dogs. There are other foods not on this list that are good too. This will at least give you a good starting out point.
    Blue Buffalo
    By Nature
    Canidae
    Natural Balance
    Eagle Pack Holstic Select
    Evanger’s
    Fromm
    Merrick
    Timberwolf

    Natura Products
    Wellness
    Nature’s Logic
    Nature’s Variety
    Orijen
    Solid Gold
    Taste of the Wild
    Ziwi Peak


    Okay, that is a basic rundown of dog foods. There are SO many products out there and it can get overwhelming very quickly. If you’re looking to switch foods just take it slow. You’ll find the perfect food you’re looking for. I promise!

    Here’s a couple of places that can help you with your food search.
    The Dog Food Project
    Dog Food Analysis

    Thanks to everyone who contributed and helped put this thing together! You all rock!

    Sedona and Gunner PAWS

     

     

    • Puppy
    KindredSpirits- thanks for posting that because I was about to attach Sedona's article (which is great btw), another good site for reviews is www.dogfoodadvisor.com Iams is not much of a step up from Pedigree really, if youre looking for grain free Taste of the Wild is the least expensive ($38-43 for 30 lb bag), if you have a tractor supply near you, you can also print $5 off coupon on their site towards your next purchase which will bring it down to $37. I convinced my neighbor to switch their Goldens to Totw and they do amazingly well on it, soft, shiny coats, clear eyes (one used to have tear stains which dissapeared after the switch), tons of energy, just a prime example of a healthy dog.
    • Gold Top Dog
    Ya Sedona and Gunner put so much work into that article and it helped me learn a ton. I'll never look at dog food the same now lol
    • Gold Top Dog

    Here's a problem I have with the pasted article. Every and all canid, including gray wolves, have been observed eating vegetation, right off the plant, not as stomach contents from killing an ungulate. The Maned Wolf of South America eats up to 50 percent vegetation during summer. So much, in fact, that it's favorite plant is named for it. Fruta Lobo, wolf's fruit.

    Skeletally, the dog and wolf are different, precisely in the coronoid process of the zygomatic arch. The mandibular hinge on a wolf is a jagged triangle and is surrounded by dense muscle, allowing for almost no lateral mastication. The dog, has a simple recurve on the mandibular hinge, and less dense muscle in the zygomatic arch. While the dog also doesn't do an appreciable lateral mastication, they can compensate by tossing the food in their mouth with sudden movements.

    Also, the carnassials are not always proof of diet. Bears are not classed as carnivores but they eat mostly meat. That is taxonomical classification is not always based on diet. Dogs are omnivores, with a strong leaning of meat.

    If they don't need vegetable matter what is all this stuff for (copied and pasted from the pasted article above)

    "An example of a good food is: Chicken, Chicken Liver, Chicken Broth, Brown Rice, Eggs, Peas, Carrots, Flaxseed, Spinach, Menhaden Fish Oil, Vitamins (Choline Chloride, L-Ascorbyl-2-Polyphosphate, Vitamin E Supplement, Niacin Supplement, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Vitamin A Supplement, Thiamine Mononitrate, Biotin, Riboflavin Supplement, d-Calcium Pantothenate, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Folic Acid), Dried Kelp, Salt, Taurine, Potassium Chloride, Minerals (Zinc Proteinate, Iron Proteinate, Manganese Proteinate, Copper Proteinate, Sodium Selenite, Ethylenediamine Dihydriodide), Artichokes, Cranberries, Pumpkin, Tomato, Blueberries, Broccoli, Cabbage, Kale, Parsley. "

    Left alone, my dog wouldn't eat half that stuff but he will eat wild pecans, grass, leaves, my cajun mashed sweet potatos. Even if it's not so much for protein extraction free of nitrogen, it is for his digestion. And dogs are different than wolves. Their evolution suggests that they domesticated by hanging around humans and eat the scraps, which included vegetable matter. Dogs that could process it survived longer and bred more than dogs that didn't. Not radial adaptation but non-radial adaption. The mutation that could process some vegetable matter survived better.

    But there are filmed documentaries of gray wolves eating berries right off the bush. Coyotes will raid human dumps.

     That being said, many of the points in the article are important and a dog diet should be meat heavy. Shadow did best for the longest time on a formula that was just Lamb Meal, rice, and some minerals. Which would seem to prove that dogs do better on mostly meat, though still being somewhat omnivore in behavior, in spite of their teeth. So, why do premium foods contain all this extra stuff? Because humans think it is good.

    • Gold Top Dog

    ron2
    So, why do premium foods contain all this extra stuff? Because humans think it is good.

     

     Great post, Ron. I think you're right on with the differences between dogs and wolves, and why dogs can eat fruit and vegetables. But, I disagree with your last sentence. If you're feeding a home cooked diet based on the guidelines of the National Research Council, you'll need to include some veggies and fruit to meet all of your dog's nutritional needs. Monica's diets are based on NRC guidelines and include plenty of meat, but they also include ingredients like sweet and white potatoes, carrots, bananas, squash and spinach to provide vitamins and minerals lacking in meat. The amount of vegetables vary according to the variety of meats in the diet. Jessie's diet didn't include vegetables or fruit because she has chronic pancreatitis and needed a simple diet that was low in fiber, so her cooked diet, which was turkey and rice, had many supplements added to fill in the nutritional gaps.

     Also, I think it's debatable that a wolf gets all the nutrients it needs by eating a totally natural diet, which is mostly meat. They live an average of four to five years in the wild, but live 10 to 14 years, sometimes longer, at a wolf research park that we visit occasionally. Much of that difference can be accounted for by the fact that their lives are much easier, but I think better nutrition also plays a role. IMO, all that matters to nature is that wolves live long enough to reproduce so the species continues, so I'm not sure a wild diet is ideal.