Raw for small dog

    • Gold Top Dog

    Raw for small dog

    I am trying a raw/kibble combo for Zoe.  Is the mix below good?   Zoe is 9 lbs. and almost 5 yrs. old.

     According to the kibble she was eating, she needs about 400-450 calories/day.  I plan to rotate these 2 evening meals, and continue to feed kibble (about 240 cal. worth for breakfast.  So dinner should be 150-200 calories).  I will feed a bit extra on big exercise days.

    Day 1: chicken leg including bone (according to nutritiondata.com, it is 120 calories w/o the bone).

    Day 2: 2 ounces pork or beef liver, 1 medium egg, scrambled with veggies.  A spoonful of plain nonfat yogurt on top.  (I cooked all of it together tonight because hubby said pork liver can have trichanosis worms so it should be cooked.  Is it as beneficial cooked?  It certainly is less nasty looking :)).  I will give a rec. raw marrow bone on some of these evenings too.

    Should I put some egg shell in the scrambled eggs? Isn't it supposed to be good?
      I'd also like to throw some ground beef in the mix sometimes... where's a good spot for it? 

    Considering I am feeding kibble in the AM, do I need additional supplements?  If I do fish oil, do I have to add something else?  I already give ester C every morning.

     

    THANKS!

    • Gold Top Dog

    Point one: Pork liver does not have trichina oocytes.  These live in the muscle meat, but there has been no infection in the US in a few decades.  Trichina occurs when pork is fed meat products, and US pork sold for public consumption has not been allowed to be raised on meat for quite some time.  However, cooking it is fine if you want to reduce the nasty factor.  It's not quite as good as raw for her, but it won't substantially change the product.

    Point two:  you are getting rather close to where you'd really need to do some serious research into balancing the fresh part of this diet properly (or seek professional advice).  However, I know you are just doing this for a couple of weeks, so what you are doing is fine.  Watch her weight.  You might want to literally go and get her on the scale at the vet once a week while you are doing this.

    Finally, eventually you'd want to change up the protein sources, but again, you are only doing this short term so you should be fine.  The meat would go where you are doing the scrambled egg, and you'd want a touch of eggshell - dry it in the oven and then run it through a food processor - and you'll want to do the same with the egg, yes.  There's a little extra calcium in most premium kibble (ie, there's a range that they can use for calcium levels and most "go high."

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    what do you mean by balancing the fresh part of the diet?


    I was hoping Jake would be gone longer than just a week with hubby but he is stressed down there and will be back this weekend for good.  So, if I am going to give this a shot with Zoe, it could be for the long haul rather than just a few weeks since he'll be back so soon anyway. 

     I am also considering using Glenda's recipe for homecooked and using it for both Zoe and Jake.  Or, I just read about Honest Kitchen and am considering something of that sort.

     This is all so hard.  I want what is best for Zoe and Jake but I need to be able to manage it financially (hubby may be getting laid off and as a teacher, I have no summer paycheck) and as far as effort.  I rarely cook for me so having to cook for them is hard but if I could cook once every few weeks it might be possible.  I have an extra freezer but it has not too much space because it is already filled with human food.  I am worried in the end, I may just stick with kibble and give a chicken leg once a week as a treat and a marrow bone once in a while.  I don't know that it is good enough though.  Uggg!

     

     

    • Gold Top Dog

    I actually use raw meaty bones and other homecooked extras to stretch my dog food budget.  

    I'd recommend you do some reading on the basics of home prepared diets.  You can keep on as you are, you won't harm anything, but to go the long term, you need to get a better grasp on some essentials.  That's fine, we all have to start somewhere!  The journey of a thousand miles and all that . . .I started with a wonderful mentor who had been down my exact same road before, and a couple of good books, and some time spent lurking and reading on raw feeding e-mail lists.

    As for not cooking for yourself - I cooked very little, back when I started.  The more I did for the dogs, the easier it got to do a little bit for us on the side, as well.  As long as I had some chicken thighs thawed, I threw some in the pan or oven for us.  If I was steaming veggies, we got some too.  Pretty soon it was the other way around.  Now I buy stuff for us, but I buy huge amounts and fix ours, and then the dog's stuff for the week, based on that.  I watch for sales, and discounted meats (I know that if I go to the Food Lion after eight PM, they'll have the stuff from that day marked way down), and buy up everything I can.  Some is for us, but most goes to the dogs.

    The time factor has surprised me, too.  We are starting to find that in fact, it takes more time to go out for something, and the savings in money is tremendous!  If I make up things that Patrick can stick in the oven, or that he knows how to fix, it's zero time from my schedule to fix dinner that night.  I can do that if I've always got the ingredients lying around, so they are there when I find I've got a moment.

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     I have a really good spreadsheet made for correctly balancing a raw diet.  PM me if you would like me to email it to you.

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    I PM'd you.  Thanks so much!

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     I'd like to get a hold of that too if you don't mind.  My dogs have had it w/kibble and so I've been doing mainly just raw for the last week. I usually rotate... kibble /raw / homecooked. They really LOVE just raw though.  I usually use Nature's Instinct medallions or patties  or Bravo patties.  I found a new raw called Raw Health which is pretty good. But I've been using  raw all natural ground beef, chicken, turkey, lamb etc and mixing it w/sweet or russet potatoes, spinach or peas or green beans,  carrots, applesblueberries,  flax seed, kelp powder, garlic powder, apple cider vinegar, raw egg, sunflower, camilina or fish oil and whatever other odd fruits / veggies I have at  hand. I usually add Missing Link or 'Udo's Essentials for Dogs as well. I also usually feed them some kind of RBMs  a while before dinner so they get their bone/cartilage  intake as well.