Xeph
Posted : 7/16/2006 1:18:11 AM
With clicker training, the thing most people have a problem with is being PATIENT.
I personally loooooove clicker training! Strauss and I are up to 8 tricks with it, AND he is now doing full retrieves with his dumbbell! Both on the flat and over the jump!!
One thing though, many people like to tell a dog to do something and then click for that....the way I was taught, is that that is incorrect.
Clicker training is operant (or is it classical, I get em mixed up all the time) conditioning, and thus, the dog is supposed to be thinking on his own. He should offer you behaviors. You shouldn't be telling them what to do and clicking it until later.
For example, when I started teaching Strauss the retrieve, it went like this (keep in mind he is OFFERING me all these behaviors, I am not telling him to do anything in the beginning stages). Also, sometimes a dog will offer you something, but it's not a "concious" offering so to speak.
C&T = Click & Treat
1. Look at dumbbell - C&T <--This is the offering I'm talking about that is not really a concious kind of thing. He's offered me a behavior, but doesn't really realize it, whereas othertimes, if I want him to mess with an object (like a box lid), he'll conciously try several different things to get a click and treat.
2. Touch dumbbell anywhere - C&T
3. Touch dumbbell bar only - C&T
4. Bite dumbbell anywhere - C&T
5. Bite dumbbell bar only - C&T
6. Pick up dumbbell (does not have to hold) - C&T
Once he started picking up the dumbbell on his own and it was consistent, I started telling him "Take it". He then started getting C&Ts for taking it on command. He no longer got a click for taking the dumbbell unless I told him to do so.
From there, we moved onto him getting a C&T for holding the dumbbell for longer and longer periods of time. After that, I started holding it in different places for him to grab (up high, down low near the floor, out to the side, etc), and he'd get a C&T for taking it on command that way.
Moving out from holding it out, I'd sit on the floor, take the dumbbell, and put it 6 inches away. He'd get a C&T for going to it and picking it up. I moved the dumbbell farther and farther away, and we are now up to a full retrieve, finish and all
The hardest part about clicker training, is that you MUST be patient! The dogs needs to offer YOU the behaviors. Honestly, some dogs really just don't get it!
My brother's Labrador is this way. I've tried using all sorts of things for him to get him interested...I don't even think it's a "You don't have good enough stuff" thing. He still hasn't connected the click with food. I sat there with him for 25 minutes, waiting for him to at least offer me something....he sat and stared at me the entire time. Didn't even offer me an eye flick...
Other dogs may be slower to respond because they have been taught in the traditional and rigid style (even if you've made it fun), that you do what I say when I say it or you get a correction. Freeshaping allows the dog to think for himself, and for obedience dogs who have been trained with correction, they don't want to be wrong, so they start out a bit tentatively. Once they break out of that box, it's usually smooth sailing