Help - Just noticed menadione in IVD Royal Canin

Regarding the synthetic vitamin K still being on the ingredient list, I believe it was on the NB website that I read that even though they've removed it the new packaging won't be out for awhile.  I think it said Jan 2007. 
 
As for a simple Whitefish formula, how about Wellness??  Also, I have no idea of the quality but I do know that my brother's dog gets a Eukanuba veterinary diet that is potato and fish.

I make my dogs' food. It works well for us.

I use kibble for the occasional treat, but mostly they get little bits of meat or veggie. Liverworst, if you can find it without corn syrup, is like doggy crack!

You said above, no egg. Why no egg? Egg is just animal protein. It should be fine, for an epileptic.

Wellness has Barley in it.   Here's a list from Doctor J's not to include list:    I'm almost 99.9% sure that somewhere on his site he mentions egg, but I could be wrong, or just exhausted...   I've been trying to find a food without all the below

since 5pm today - It looks like if I want to stay on his diet it's either NB or RC.
 
Things to Eliminate
1) Wheat, barley, rye - ALL of these grains. (including bread, snack crackers, treats, etc.) Oats are the safest grains from an immunlogical standpoint (least allergy-producing) but they do have high levels of glutamate in them and will contribute to pain and epilepsy.(See my paper [linkPain>http://www.dogtorj.com/pages/556833/index.htm]Pain, Pain, Go Away [/link]on this site)
2) Dairy products - ALL of them. (including milk, cheese, whey, casein, dried skim milk, etc.)
3) Soy - ALL of it. (This is also a HUGE problem in people)
4) Corn- (including corn gluten meal)- Try to eliminate as much of this as possbible. This is especailly important in asthma, pain syndromes, lower gastrointestinal problems, and epilepsy. Eliminate ALL of this whenever possible.
5) Beef and fish - (only if allergy symptoms are present and persistent. These are the most common secondary allergens in the dog and cat, respectively.)
6) Artificial preservatives and colors - (You want to see “preserved with vit.E“)
By eliminating the above items, you will be taking care of at least 80% of all food allergens and all three of the major sources of food intolerance (gluten in grains, casein in dairy, and soy protein.)
 
 

Many thanks for all the much appreciated input!
 
~B

I haven't eliminated beef or fish... I've done an elimination diet with my girl, though, and she didn't have any problems with any non-poultry meats. 

Dr. J's an idiot.

Dr. J's an idiot.

Okkkkk???

Why do you think that? Do you have a seizure dog, or are you epileptic, yourself?

I work for a human nutritionist, who happens to totally agree with Dr J.... Human epileptics' and canine epileptics' brains work in a similar way, and similar foods cause the same reaction---- seizures.

I have tried MANY different foods over the last 10 years. I've done raw, homecooked, and most of the holistic kibbles.
 
The food that I have ended up with now is PetGuard, and it's the only thing that really has worked w/out complaint for all 3 of my dogs. It's got results so close to raw, the only thing that's different is I have to keep up with teeth a bit more than with raw, although I do give a raw wing from time to time. It's a darn near perfect food for my guys. It does have menadione in it. I emailed the company and they said it's a very low amount and there aren't much in the way of studies that suggests it's a real problem.  Will I switch to a menadione free food? Nope. I've tried 'em all and they don't give me good healthy dogs like this food does.  It's not enough of a risk for me to worry about.
 
Dog food companies are responding to {the hysteria of} pet owners who decide that since it's synthetic, it must be bad. It's not a significant enough of a 'problem' for me that I would freak out about it, personally.  But that's just me.
 
Then, the next question is- are you absolutely certain it is a true food allergy?  Environmental allergies do look much the same, if not identical, to food allergies.
My bichons have environmental allergies, since we did a food trial and nothing changed for them. Often you will have to switch to home-cooked very simple meals for 9 weeks solid, no treats, chewies, anything just one meat and one protein.  Then you introduce other things into the diet.
 
You have to go with your own comfort level, and if you find out what works for your dog, I think the benefits outweigh the drawback of teh menadione (or whatever ingredient of the day that people fret over. And if you find what works for your dog, go with it, and go confidently!

Good luck with your pooch.

I agree with you, Shamrockmommy. Many of the recent changes in formulas are not due to actual scientific evidence that the ingredient is causing a problem but are due to changing the formula to appease the customers, who think it is bad. This is both good and bad. It is good that companies are responsive to customer demands if the customers are well-educated. It can be bad in removing something because the humans don't want it, regardless if it helps the dog or not. OTOH, I also believe that dogs shouldn't be fed grain-first food unless they have a specific diet issue that can be addressed by less animal protein for a while. What bothered me a bit was that some of the premium food companies acted as if it were a shame to follow AAFCO guidelines, which are a minimum, not because it was ineffective or too much of a hassle but because they wanted to appeal to customers who have an issue against a regulatory commission or have issues with AAFCO requirements that some companies barely meet, so it is assumed that all dog food is deficient. That is, they downplay their use of AAFCO guidelines to get that danged ole dollar from you, which is just as much slick advertising as any Purina commercial.
 
Again, there is plenty of anecdotal evidence from the good people here of dogs and cats eating raw or live animals for decades and living well, without any commercial dog food.
 
As I've said before, though, successful companies don't stay in business selling poison. If you kill off the population that buys your food, who will you sell to? I know someone will come along to say, don't worry, byb's and millers will provide plenty more dogs to feed crap food to, and they are right, to a point.
 
But my dog was bought by friends from a puppy store who, near as I can tell, sold him on consignment from a bubba with a box o' pups. And I feed him a food that I do not consider to be crap, etc, etc. Not all dogs end up with rednecks feeding grocery store grain seconds.