Eagle Pack Grain free?

those are humans with arthritis on that link they gave you, not dogs. My unease with Eaglepack is growing by leaps and bounds.
 
I can't find any published studies on a link between grain and arthritis in dogs, but there are many folks out there who have reported dramatic improvements in their dog's mobility after switching to grain free diets. Whether it's the lack of grain or just the higher protein level of the diet is unclear.

I don't know anything about arthritis and grains, but personally I think there are tons of nutrients and things dogs should have in some grains.  I don't think a diet made up mostly of grains is good,,,but I think that dogs should have some.

I live with an arthritic, epileptic 3 year old. She hasn't had grains since she was 14 months old. She's thriving, beautifully. She does need acupuncture, occasionally, for both conditions, but they're both significantly improved.

Yes, the link they provided isn't helpful at all, as it has nothing to do with dogs!  And it just seems so unnessecary to bash other companies.  They could have just said, thank you for your feedback, we don't offer a grain-free formula at this time, but we are always evaluating new forumlas and we think the xxx and yyy formulas we do offer right now would be appropriate for your dog. 
 
Mudpuppy, may I ask why else you're feeling discomfort with EP? 

Hmmmm, that is a weird response from Eagle Pack. [&:]

well, look at these crappy ingredients: corn, brewers rice, generic fish meal????
 




Chicken Meal, Ground Yellow Corn, Ground Brown Rice, Brewers Rice, Pork Meal, Chicken Fat (preserved with Natural Mixed Tocopherols, Citric Acid and Rosemary Extract), Dried Beet Pulp, Brewers Dried Yeast, Fish Meal, Wheat Germ Meal, Flaxseed, Dried Egg Product, Salt, Potassium Chloride, Vitamin-mineral fortified and the "Custom Supplements- Wellness for Life" Nutrition Program (except PRE-PRO Fiber System). 

 

Guaranteed Analysis %:





Protein 
20 

Fat 
12 

Moisture 
10 

Fiber 
4 
this is one of their better formulas: and even it is very grain heavy and very low in protein.
 




Ingredients:
Lamb Meal, Ground Brown Rice, Oatmeal, Chicken Fat (preserved with Natural Mixed Tocopherols, Citric Acid and Rosemary Extract), Dried Beet Pulp, Flaxseed, Brewers Dried Yeast, Rice Bran, Dried Egg Product, Salt, Potassium Chloride, Air Dried Peas and Carrots, and Wellness For Life Custom Supplements: Inulin/Prebiotics, glucosamine hydrochloride, rosemary extract, aqua-c, enzymes, kelp, DFM's/Probiotics, yucca, omega-health SQM enhanced vitamin and mineral system. 

 

Guaranteed Analysis %:





Protein 
22 

Fat 
15 

Moisture 
10 

Fiber 
4 

 
On the basis of their ingredient lists I wouldn't classify them as a "premium" food, more on par with Nutro.
So everyone talks about how good they are, so I tried a few "flavors" from eaglepack. Total disaster. I've never had a brand fare so poorly. None of the dogs would eat it dry. Some of the dogs wouln't eat it even when mixed with green tripe (I'd always assumed dogs would eat rocks if you coated them with green tripe). We had vomiting. We had serious gas. We threw the remainders of the food in the garbage. Keep in mind I've tried dozens of brands when I say it was the worst one I've ever tried, and the only one I've actually throw in the garbage- every other brand at least one dog did well enough on it to finish up a bag.

Where did you get the first list from? I just read every ingredient list on their website and didn't see the first one. Didn't even bother with the second..
 
Its hard to believe you had such horrible experiences with everyone of your dogs trying different formuals,  especially dozens of different kinds....especially when so many people have great experiences. 
For us,,, we went thru a few premium foods with Ollie (after a start of bad foods) and ended up with Eagle after he stopped eating Canidea..our first choice at the time.
I DO consider Eagle a premium food.  Its not only the ingredients, its where they get the ingredients and how they make it.

it's their chicken maintenance formula.
I don't understand how where they get the ingredients makes the food premium-- if you put brewer's rice in it, it's not a premium food.

it's their chicken maintenance formula.

 
Sorry,,,I was reading the first few ingredients of all the formulas,,,but I guess you didn't copy the ingredient list exactly the way its written as there are a few more  ingredients listed before you get to the brewers rice.
But what is wrong with brewers rice? Brewers rice is broken pieces of human grade corn,,, dog don't care if its broken or long grain.

according to the dog food project, it's cheap filler:
 





Brewers Rice

Also appears in ingredient lists as ground Brewers Rice.
AAFCO: The small milled fragments of rice kernels that have been separated from the larger kernels of milled rice.
A processed rice product that is missing many of the nutrients contained in whole ground rice and brown rice. Contrary to what many pet food companies want to make you believe, this is not a high quality ingredient, just much cheaper than whole grain rice.

Mudpuppy, I agree that the one you listed doesn't look great, but the holistic select formulas are a BIG step above EP's standard formulas.  When people here recommend the brand I have always interpreted that as referring to the holistic line.  So I disagree that the chicken formula you posted is one of their better foods -- it's definetely not.  Everything in the holistic line is a big step up. 

For comparison, here is the ingredient list for the EP holistic chicken formula: 

Chicken Meal, Ground Brown Rice, Ground White Rice, Oatmeal, Chicken Fat (Preserved With Natural Mixed Tocopherols), Pork Meal, Dried Beet Pulp, Anchovy, Sardine & Salmon Meals, Flaxseed, Dried Egg Product, Tomato Pomace, Menhaden Fish Oil, Carrots, Peas, Sun-Cured Alfalfa, Salt, Potassium Chloride, Quinoa (Organic), Blueberries, Apples, Inulin, Beta-Carotene, Cranberries, Dehydrated Kelp, Glucosamine Hydrochloride, Yucca Schidigera Extract, DL-Methionine, Vitamin A Acetate, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Vitamin E Supplement, Riboflavin Supplement, Vitamin B12 Supplement, d-Pantothenic Acid, Niacin Supplement, Choline Chloride, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Thiamine Mononitrate, Folic Acid, Ascorbic Acid, Biotin, Lecithin, Rosemary Extract, Inositol, Polysaccharide Complexes Of Zinc, Iron, Manganese, Copper and Cobalt, Potassium Iodate, Sodium Selenite, Lactobacillus acidophilus, Lactobacillus casei, Enterococcus faecium, B. subtilus, Bacillus licheniformis, Bacillus coagulins, Aspergillus oryzae, and Aspergillus niger.
 
Crude Protein  24%
Crude Fat        15%
Crude Fiber     4.0%

Unlike the regular chicken line you posted, this one has no corn, no brewer's rice, no grain fragments, and no mystery fats.  Higher protein, better supplements, too.  It's the same across the holistic line.  My dog is doing really well on this . . . Do you have the same concerns about this food as what you posted? 
 

I don't like their premium line of foods, I've only fed the holistic line and I definitely like it. The only thing I'd prefer is a slightly higher protein level. This is the one I fed:

Eagle Pack Holistic Duck Meal & Oatmeal
Duck Meal, Ground Brown Rice, Ground White Rice, Oatmeal, Chicken Fat (Preserved With Natural Mixed Tocopherols), Dried Beet Pulp, Dried Egg Product, Flaxseed, Tomato Pomace, Carrots, Peas, Sun-Cured Alfalfa, Salt, Potassium Chloride, Quinoa (Organic), Inulin, Apples, Blueberries, Cranberries, Beta-Carotene, Dehydrated Kelp, Glucosamine Hydrochloride, Yucca Schidigera Extract, DL-Methionine, Vitamin A Acetate, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Vitamin E Supplement, Riboflavin Supplement, Vitamin B12 Supplement, d-Pantothenic Acid, Niacin Supplement, Choline Chloride, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Thiamine Mononitrate, Folic Acid, Ascorbic Acid, Biotin, Lecithin, Rosemary Extract, Inositol, Polysaccharide Complexes Of Zinc, Iron, Manganese, Copper and Cobalt, Potassium Iodate, Sodium Selenite, Lactobacillus acidophilus, Lactobacillus casei, Enterococcus faecium, B. subtilus, Bacillus licheniformis, Bacillus coagulins, Aspergillus oryzae, and Aspergillus niger.

Eagle Pack Holistic Duck Meal & Oatmeal

I just bought a bag of this today.  I have just a little Chicken and Rice holistic and I also trade off with the Natural Lamb and Rice formula.