Raw diet questions

    • Gold Top Dog

    Raw diet questions

    I have been resaerching raw feeding for a while and already give my dogs raw meat in their food and bones as treats without any trouble.I have thought about doing more but havent been able to afford it since we generally have 10-12 dogs here at any given time BUT my sister has started raising more livestock and has started sending them off to the butcher which means i can get any "scraps" for free! I already get my bones from her and have called her butcher to contact me when any tripe is available ( they think im nuts) This would leave me with only the cost of the muscle meat and supplements and the occasional fish i wanted to throw in.My question is what should i get besides the obvious? Sometimes i cant get the liver or heart because other people want them to eat but i can buy them really cheap from the butcher from customers that dont want them.Kidneys i can have and they said nobody ever wants the tripe.Im not sure about lungs?spleen.I can get the brain but im not sure i want to.Are the pig organs ok? She currently has cows,pigs ,goats,sheep,chickens,ducks,geese,turkeys and rabbits.A regular doggie buffet! Yet with all my nagging and complaining her dogs still eat kibbles and bits[:(]
    She has 2 large Bulls going in november im not sure how much room a lung takes up in a freezer but i want to be ready if need be.
    Any advice would be helpful,thanks!
    • Gold Top Dog
    She has 2 large Bulls going in november


    ooohhh bully sticks! Drained or undrained is the question [:D]

    Yet with all my nagging and complaining her dogs still eat kibble and bits


    OMG what a waste! She has all of that fresh meat and she chooses to feed one of the worst foods available. Send her over here,we'll sort her out [;)]

    My question is what should i get besides the obvious


    I'm not sure,it sounds as iff you have everything covered. You could throw in some fruits and veg a few times a week.
    You've already mentioned green tripe(my favourite),organ meat,fish,there's not much more left.

    What specifically do you think you're missing?

    Pig organs are fine.
    • Gold Top Dog
    This is exactly why I've decided to put off going all out raw feeding for a while. I won't feel completely safe until I A.) research it more and know EXACTLY what supplements to add so she is getting EVERYTHING she needs. B.) find a butcher in my area and know EXACTLY what to get when I order. C.) brain? See, I can't even touch that, I can't even imagine touching it. D.) With me starting school, I won't have the time to research the diet the way I need to to feel safe feeding it to her. E.) she flat out has NO desire for any raw meat other than ground burger.

    I think I shall feed her a high grade dog food for now with the occasional raw meat treat.
    • Gold Top Dog
    I have been assured by a nutritionist and two PhDs in biology who all researched this point independently for their own dogs, that the closer you get to the "whole critter", the less you have to supplement.

    Brain is highly nutritious, for instance, and something like a couple of bull brains is like three or four months worth of "brain". Think of an entire pack of dogs dividing a kill. Not that they'd literally divide it, the toughest dog would get his fill of the choicest parts, but a dog will self-regulate on brain, it's VERY rich. A sheep brain could be fed over the course of a month to an average sized dog.

    The problem with beef is that the bones are very resistant to consumption, so you have to be careful of the calcium to phosphorus ratio. What I usually do is feed beef parts with something like pork neck bones or chicken necks which are low in meat. As with the brain, the great thing about beef is that the organs are HUGE, so grab whatever you can and divide in single portions and save for a rainy day. Whatever organs you can get are fine. The nutrient profile on each organ is slightly different, so over time you'll be providing very complete diet.

    Pork is a little bit the same way. I don't have a lot of personal experience with off the farm pork but I know the slaughter size is much bigger than my sheep and goats! But with pork a lot more of the bones are edible - they are typically slaughtered when they quite immature. So I'd grab any bones and organs availble and again, save them for a rainy day. You can use these to balance the beef, as mentioned above.

    Normal dogs can consume almost all of a sheep or goat. Get ANY parts you can off these small ruminants, including hooves and all bones. Spinal bones, the pelvis, the jaw, horns, the scapula, and maybe some of the femur from a large mature animal are all I've seen turn into recreational bones from small ruminants. It's worth investing in a whole animal, in fact, whenever you can get a deal. Dogs are highly adapated to eat small ruminants, rodents, and fowl so the more they get of these, the better.

    A whole chicken or other fowl is about two or three feedings for the average dog (leave the feathers on). Ditto a small rabbit (fur, ears, and all). If I had ready access to all that you descirbe (I don't since moving, boo hoo), I'd rotate between a fowl and a rabbit weekly, with whatever larger animals supplying the rest of your dog's diet.
    • Gold Top Dog
    Gosh sure if i want to do that DIY bully sticks! Maybe.I could also get stuff like the esophagus and even veins and such i suppose.I really could just have them dump it all out and grind it all up ( i dont want to do the intestines) I will consider doing the brains.It cant be much worst than the tripe i suppose.
    I didnt necessarily think i was missing anything but i wasnt sure if maybe there was something i wasnt supposed to feed.like pancreas or a gall bladder (dont know if they even have these)
    Hope the neighbors dont think im nuts out in the backyard with a folding table and a butcher knife and a big bag o guts.