AIHA or IMHA

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    Domingo (left front) - Cyclops (right back)

    I put up a few more pics in my profile page..

    Now I have to learn how to make something creative like what Pirate and Callie's Dogs have =)

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    You have two black and white dogs! They are my second fav, next to tan and white :)

    GratefulDawg
    Now I have to learn how to make something creative like what Pirate and Callie's Dogs have =)

    If you head on down towards the bottom of the forum, there is a stickied thread with requests for other members to make them :) I didn't make mine, no way!!

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    sl2crmeg
    You have two black and white dogs! They are my second fav, next to tan and white :)

     

    Domingo is a tri-color.  She has tan markings on on her head and neck and tail.  But basically she is 99% Black and White.  

    She is my 3rd Black and White dog.  My dog Takona was also Mainly black with a few white spots.  Cyclops has a little more white and Domingo has a little more white on top of that.  Maybe one day I'll have a dog that is mainly white with a little black? 

    It just kind of happened to me.  When I was a kid I had a Blue Bearded Collie (They look like a mini-Old English Sheepdog) and a Golden Retriever. But now that I'm kind of hooked on Border Collies I may end up with more Black and White dogs.. although they also come in blue and red.  =)

    Well the best dogs are the ones that happen to come into our lives.. I wouldn't feel that great about trying to find a dog based on having to get a new color LOL!  But you're right its strange how this keeps happening to me.

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    Thanks Jackie.

    Her ATCH Stim Test came back NEGATIVE.  So no Cushings (!) 

    As you can see her PCV was 39. 

    3 Things were abnormal but 2 were improvements:

    Her Alkaline Phosphase is 317 (high normal is 131) - but that is down from being off the scale (over 2400) back in January.

    Her ALT is 214 (high normal is 118) but that is down from 245.

    Her Globulin is elevated at 4.5 g/dL where normal range is 1.6 - 3.6. Not sure what that means?  

    I am STILL waiting on results of the Serum Iron.  I think they forgot to run it (again) but this time they charged me 35.00 for it so if they did forget then I'm gonna make sure they give me it free next time or give me a refund and find someone who will run it for me.

     

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    Globullins show inflammation -- no doubt because of the skin.  Billy calls 'em his "goblins" cos they're ALWAYS showing up LOL.

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    I've learned that when Callie has a hunch, its usually right. 

    Cyclops' Serum Iron Levels came back.. they are 30 points below normal.  

    I faxed OSU and they are going to try to get the exact numbers from the doctor here.  I will have to go in and get a paper copy because trying to find out over the phone is an act of congress.  So I'm not sure of the exact numbers but 30 points low sounds pretty low.  I am waiting for call back from OSU as to how much and for how long to give suppliments and when to recheck.  

    The vets here have never run that test, I guess its a pretty rare thing to do.  I'm telling you a lot of doctors are getting a lot of information out of Cyclops so maybe these doctors will be tucking away some of this for their next IMHA patients.

     

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    GratefulDawg
    The vets here have never run that test, I guess its a pretty rare thing to do.  I'm telling you a lot of doctors are getting a lot of information out of Cyclops so maybe these doctors will be tucking away some of this for their next IMHA patients.

     

      Callie helping you is also helping the vets that are seeing Cyclops; both of you rock. Give Clops some belly rubs for me. Both of your dogs are really cute. Big Smile

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    We just lost a golden to AIHA on one of my golden retriever forums.  Is so sad.  Blair does a day or 2 foster from time to time.  She located this 7year old owner turned in golden last Sept. and posted about Heidi on the forum.  We have many many memeber all over the country, not to mention around the world, and theres one section for rescue and many times someone posted about a dog and a embr was able to get it ;pulled from pound, etc into a golden rescue. 

    About 11/2 years ago  a golden was transported from Florida to Canada just above Maine.  Memebers drove legs of 100 to 300 miles.  Another was trasported from Florida to California and on that trip, another was picked up in Alabama and taklen to New Mexico.  Those are the longest "railways"  we have used, all memebers doing the legs.

     Well, Blari told about Heidi, her rough first 7 years, and  folks were scrambling.  As she put it, senior dogs are less likely to find a forever home as people want to keep their dogs for 10 mor more years and not just 3 or 4 as is usually the case with an7 or 8 year old golden.  However, he bou friend decided he would like to have her--Blari already had 3 goldens, so he knew goldens--but was going to be out of town for a week.  Blari took Heidi to keep her for a week.

     But something went wrong and that first night she and Hedi bonded so close she knew she could not give her up.  So she adopted her.  This was in Sept.  Last week, 6 months  later, Heidi would not eat, didn't want to play, etc, so B;air called her sister who is a vet and took Heidi right in.  The diagnsis----AIHA.  They took her to a niversity vet school, but for the life of me I ca't remember which one.  She was put on the correct drugs and with her HCT being 9, given transfusion.  HCT climbed to 19, but dropped the next day.  Another transfusion, climb into the teens, then droppe to 7.  They told Blari that they felt it best to let her go as the transfusions only worked for hours and the other drugs were not taking hold.    They actually suspected internal bleeding, posibily from ruptured tumor.  But necropsy showed no tumor, no bleeding, no sign of cancer, nothing,  so it appears it was just very severe case of AIHA.

    She hadworried about finding a home for the older dog because it would only be for a few years ( most likely), adopted her herself, and then lost her 6 months later to this horrible disese.  Of course, it could have happened to a puppy just asd easiy.  There have been a few people coming on the AIHA forum whose puppies have been diagnosed.

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    When a dog needs repeated transfusions it's hard ... and often it is CRITICAL that they get to a university simply because this all happens SO FAST you need that bank of donors.  See once a dog has had ONE transfusion, then it becomes more difficult and they have to type and cross-match a donor.  If you're talking about Joe SmallVet,DVM it's tough because he may not have THAT MUCH of one type of blood on hand. 

    There can be other things going on -- you have to ascertain where the body is killing the blood --  like with Cyclops it was ONLY killing reticulocytes - baby red blood cells ---but NOT mature ones ... so the transfusions were holding longer but she wasn't 'making' enough blood because the baby red blood cells were being destroyed as fast as they were made.  In Billy's case it was killing ALL of them and he had six transfusions in a month.

    The one thing that was going on with Billy, particularly while he was up at U of FL as well as here, was he was getting the acupuncture and Chinese herbs to help his body MAKE blood fast. 

    But that's how I happened to know about the iron ... because even tho I was shoving iron in his mouth as fast as I could with beef heart, liver, every veg/fruit under the sun with iron, STILL his body wasn't making blood fast enough and at one point after talking to me at length, the vet up to UF suggested we test the iron "just in case" and yep it was low. 

    It's NOT a test typically run, but frankly with IMHA I think it should be. 

    It hits SO FAST ... a couple of times when we wound up taking Billy back up to UF (which is 3 hours away) I really didn't think we'd make it.  I'll **NEVER** forget July 4, 2006 -- we'd been at the e-vet for HOURS (with parvo puppies coming in and my dog is SOO immune suppressed and they wouldn't just take his blood and test it for us OR just say "go to UF";) and finally at midnight we had to take him up there ANYWAY.

    David got a speeding ticket on I-4 up at MIcanopy ... and that cop stood there taking her own sweet time about writing that ticket and David said to her "We are on our way to the emergency room at the small animal hospital at the University -- our dog may not MAKE it" and all that officer did was say "It will take as long as it takes and I'll stop you again if I have to".

    I was in the car sobbing because I really didn't think he'd make it.  But NO ONE understands how fast this happens.  Very often everyone thinks you're making it up. (that officer surely did)

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     Sandra,

    So sorry to hear about Heidi.  It would be interesting to find out which University she was at.  There seems to be cases where no matter what you do and how well you do it, the dog is still going to die of this evil disease.  It really does take a special person to take in a 7 year old dog.  For me taking in a dog of that age was very rewarding even though our time together was short.  

    Like you said, having a puppy is no guarantee you'll have a long time together either.  

    Well I don't think even at a University they would transfuse once a day.  Seems like Heidi would have had to have a transfusion a day for 2 - 3 weeks to buy time for the immunosupressants to kick in.  I've been told that some dogs are non-responsive to Pred, that means that there is nothing helping to fight it for 2-3 weeks. I don't know if any vet would attempt to keep a dog alive by constant transfusion even if they could find enough blood.  

    At least Heidi was rescued and sounds like she had a good life for the last few months before this happened.  

     

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    I went back and searched but there were several threads and hundreds of posts.  However i did find that Heidi had been to a speciality clinic (44 vets) called MedVet in columbus, ohio.  As I said, Blari's sister is a vet and took Heidi to this place.    Heidi had had surgery recently and had been on heavy antbiotics and Brooke suspects it was the antibiotics tht brought on the AIHA and apparently so do the other doctors.     I do not remember for sure, butr I thik the surgery was to remove aock Heidi ate.  It seems like every week there is a dog there having surgery for having eaten a sock or toy and last week, one to remove the squeaker from a squeak toy.  Goldens are notorious for "eating" stuff they should not.

     PS  By the way, both of your dogs are beautiful.  Their coloring compliments each other doesn't it.

     

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    You know Domingo my youngest dog has a severe reaction to an antibiotic.  She got cut when she slid on some gravel while catching the frisbee and they gave her some antibiotics after they stitched her up and she had a terrible reaction to it.  It seems like just about anyting can set off this IMHA.

    I grew up with a golden retriever.  He retrieved everything, one time he went to a neighbors house at Christmas time and stole a sheep out of the manger scene they had up.  

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    There are certain antibiotics they KNOW for sure have been tied to IMHA -- like sulpha TriZ -- the potentiated sulpha drugs.  and there are others.  But yeah, virtually anything the body sees as toxic can trigger IMHA as well as a bunch of other things can trigger it.  They pretty well figure it's either "toxins" or "stress" that typically brings it on -- and it can be something the dog HAS been exposed to before that just, for some reason, THIS time pushes the immune system's buttons too hard. 

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    It was Hunter's 3rd ProHeart6 injection thatcaused his AIHA.  I would have never suspected it if not for my vet saying, after we went over everything in the previous 2 months and ProHeart ws he only thing different, "When it comes time for his next ProHeart injection, we are going back onto the pills."  In my research AFTER his death   I found most had reactions after the lst injection, but many after 2ed, or 3rd, and in one case, it was the 4th. 

    Seven year old Bandit, a border collie in wisconsin went into seizure 10 hours after his 4th injection.  He had never had a seizure in his life.  They could not reach their vet, so had to take him to the ER.  The seizure would not stop, even with the drugs.  The only way it was stopped was to completel put him under, but it started back up as soon as he started to come around.  Thirtty six hours after the ProHeart6 injection, 26 hours after THE seizure started, Bandit was dead.  The vet said it WAS the ProHeart6 that ddi it.  Sue told her story here but I do not know how to go about locating it.   I do know it would have been late 2003 or early 2004.  Bandit died Oct 16, 2003, the same day my Hunter died and Sue and I are still in contact and every year on Oct. 16, we e-mail each other about our boys being at the bridge together, both killed by ProHeart6, both died the same day, both were young (Hunter 4, Bandit 7) and both were "mutilated" in way.  I had a necropsy done on Hunter and the ER vet "had" to send in Bandit's head to check for rabies since he had never had a seizure before.  We feel they just have to be together.

    he other dogs that I knw of in our little town, aGreatDane collapsed before it even got out of the vet's.  A chihuahua belonging to our insurance mans receptionist got a huge lump at injection site and was sick for over a week, needing to see the vet a couple of times.  A standard poodle belinging to one of the ladies that sits behind me in church, and lives a couple of streets over, developed a gastric problem with her firt injection and Amber was on antibiotics the rest of her life (4 years) because if she stopped, she started bleeding.  Was on other drugs also.  andthe other is anAustralian Shepherd that got really sick after first injection, but they did not think it was the ProHeart.  However, it was so bad after 2ed injectio--dog almost died--there was no doubt.  The guy signed a release with Fort Dodge and could not go public about it, but did tell me.  I was wearing my anti=PorHeart6 with Hunter and Bandit's pictures when I happened to meet him in Walmart over in next town...but I had heart the story from one of the techs at my vet's WHO WOULD NOT USE PROHEART6.  This dog will be on drugs the rest of it's life--autoimmun disorder.

     And how right Callie is about a dog suddenly develope a reaction.  My KayCee had not roblem with her puppy vax, nor her first annual vax, but in 30 minutes of getting her 2ed set of annual vax, she had huge hives, eyes swollen almost shut, each ear must have covered by an entire hibve as each ear was very thick, the under side red.  Her tummy was as red as a fire engine.  She had lumps on her muzzle that looked like pencil derasers under the skin.  Most frightening, her temp was 106.9.  We had been the last ones in that Good Friday and had planned to go to services that night, but wee running late and decided not to go.  THANK GOD as KayCee could have died.    I gave her benadryl, called my vet's answering service and we wrapped her in wet towel and was pouring cool (not cold) water over the towel while waiting for call from vet. His wife called called (he had been in church when paged, called her and told her he was on the way to hospital, call us)  We are only a mile from hospital and got her right there and he was waiting with injections.

     We stayed til her temp dropped below either 102 or 103, I don't remember which, and he told me to continue takingher temp every 30 minutes, or sooner if she started acting strange again.  But all was fine.  He wrote on  the cover of her chart in huge letters RABIES ONLY  even tho he suspected it was the lepto.  Also, our state says rabies every 3 years, but allows eachcounty and city to make their own law, with city overriding county, county over rding state.  Both our county and ou little town sa rabies every year.  But he bucked that and ever after gave her rabies every 3rd year.  I lost this girl last May 25 to cancer at 8 yrs 9 months and 1 week of age.  I am posting a picture of her laying out by the boungavilia bush where Hunter is buried.  She over laid there and we said she was visiting her brother's grave---they were littermates--and i took pictures of her there at different times.  Her ashes are buried there beside Hunter.  The ashes of our golden we lost ot heart attack May 15, 2007 (1 year 10 days before we lost KayCee) is there also.

     but since these things all happened not with the first vx or injection, but later ones, I think this shows that the more often our dgos get these things, the more likly a reaction is to happen.  Happened o my aunt with penecillin.  She had taken it for years, developed such a reaction to it a single injection could have killed her.  My vet does the 3 year vax schedule now..except for law required yearly rabies, and he buck that when he thinks it is necesary for the safety of the dog.

     

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    This was posted today by the girl that lost her golden, Heidi  This is the youngest dog I have heard of to date to develpe this disease.  As I said, it is a theif that come in thru all burglar bars, security systems, flood lights, to steal our dogs.  And we can't stop it.

     

    Poor little Schnauzer...

    One of my sister's clients came in with their SIXTEEN-WEEK-OLD Schnauzer with completely white gums and she sent it immediately up to MedVet. It had developed AIHA, the horrible disease that took my Heidi Bug, after a vaccine reaction. Unfortunately, just like my Heidi, he had a hemolytic crisis and was not able to pull through. Obviously, I didn't know this poor puppy or his owners, but I wanted to share his story with everyone here. I want people to be more aware of this devastating disease and the fact that it can literally strike at ANY time and at any age. How heartbreaking.

    Rest in peace, sweet puppers.
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