Could use some good thots...Snickers has IMHA

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    Hey, not only is she keeping the food down, she has enough energy to be "annoyed" with the people taking care of her!  That's great!

    I'm sorry about the specialist; that's just nuts!  Maybe this new person is the woman Snickers needs right now, though....I'll pray that that's so. <3
     

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    That's when I KNEW Pirate felt somewhat better, when he was annoyed enough to give me the stink eye :)

    I'm hoping she's doing well tomorrow morning! Belly-rubs from me and Pirate-dog!

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    Annoyed is GREAT! I'm so glad that Snickers is holding down food and feeling good enough to express her distaste. We're still hoping and praying. 

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    Fingers crossed for good results this morning.

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    Today Snickers' blood results went from 17 last night, 14 this morning, to 13 now... they just started another transfusion. My vet used her own dog for this... as she put it "she's getting strong cattle dog blood :)" I thanked her profusely for using her own dog, makes me tear up.

    Her blood work this morning showed no improvement in bilirubin :(... though this could be due to the continued attacks on the cells and excess waste, the vet said she didn't expect it to significantly improve due to that.

    Still serious amounts of aglutination... not good, means her body is still churning out those antibodies. They scanned her for cancer thinking there might be an underlying cause, found nothing, thankfully. She has kept all feedings down, but doesn't like it and they continue to feed tiny meals throughout the day.

    This is so hard... no better and no worse. This means she'll be transferred to another facility for the weekend.  The scary thing is, we may have to stop this soon due to cost. DH has his limits and is more "realistic" than me about this stuff.

    The vet told me everyone loves her, that she is a model patient and that the whole staff is pulling for her now.

    I just feel physically ill... I had such a hard time working today. It's like I am constantly walking around just short of a panic attack, unable to take deep breaths and dizzy. I wish I was someone who didnt' care this much because it just hurts too bad. I keep thinking that I'm going to have to do this with every dog of mine and I can't... I'm in my late 20's this is the first time I've ever had to do this and never had a clue how bad it would be.


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     praying for a miracle and praying for strength and guidance for you - don't know what else to say Sad

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    I know how very bad this hurts and how helpless you feel.  I am so very sorry for your baby and for all that you are going through.  Try to take care of yourself so you can be strong for her. You are in my thoughts and prayers!!!!  Hoping for good news tomorrow.

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     Praying that Snickers is much better tomorrow; {{{hugs}}}.

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    I'm sorry Snickers isn't improving :(. Hopefully tomorrow will be a better day.

    I'm not sure of your financial situation, but Pirate's specialists took Care Credit. It's kind of sucky, but it was better than nothing, for us. Their website is www.carecredit.com and they'll approve you right away, if you are approve-able.

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    Hoping you'll see this here (I posted the same thing on Canine Club - we're both redundant here but I want to give you the best chance to see this)

    No, you *don't* have to do this with every dog ... truly not. Some age and live long (Prissy lived to be almost 21 and Foxy made it to 19) and some die heartbreakingly young (Polly was only 7-8 months old - she only had three months with us!)

    It took Billy weeks to truly 'respond'. Some of the drugs -- even tho they are being put in via "iv" take a while to build up to a 'level' in the body. Like cyclosporine specifically has to build to a level of like 600 - 700 'units' in the body (and that took WEEKS in Billy's case). The body only absorbs so much *even* when given IV.

    I would be astonished if the liver rates got better -- all these drugs are nasty to the liver and the fact that the billirubin isn't worsening is probably a darned good sign.

    Is there any way you can give her a couple more days? I'm not teasing here -- but I'd ask the vet boldly what the chances are here. Is this lack of response typical or is it truly an indication that this just isn't going to work?

    The agglutination thing is the wildcard that I didn't deal with. And it's likely going to be the deciding thing here. I honestly think you have to let the vet be your guide.

    And if the decision to let her go has to be made, please please remember you have to look at this from Snicker's eyes, not yours. I think aside from the fact that you love her dearly, I think this is likely challenging your personal belief system seriously ... because you feel the decision rests with you.

    I never look at it that way. I can't. I look at it either that I'm allowing the dog to make the decision (and Foxy certainly did that -- he *told* me in no uncertain terms he was DONE that day). Even Ms. Socks *told* me she didn't want to live with that sort of pain. The night she came in from the back yard after having suffered one of the 'ruptures' that occurs with some cancers that produces unbelievable pain -- she looked at her bowl (as a dog who used to get so excited about a meal that her teeth would chatter) and shook her head no and turned to ME with a look. That look said "Food is life ... so no, I'm not gonna prolong this".

    So this is the reason I like to be with them. Because I see it as a release ... a release from pain, and from feeling horrible.

    I've seen humans crave the same release when they'd lived with some horrific disease process. I can't do anything about them and it's not my right. But when I take on an animal, I promise to see to its needs, and when this sort of 'release' is needed I'm the only one who can help with it with the vet's help.

    I think part of your decision has to rest with her future as well as her present. I think she would be very very unhappy to suffer as "the sick one" given the relationship with Koahle. I truly think you'll find part of your answer in thinking what Snickers would say to you if she was sitting next to you and could just open her mouth and have real words spill out.

    None of this is easy ... it's the hardest part of loving an animal. But it's also the most valuable part of their love ... because thru this we can grow as humans for having loved them. I am better for every single animal I've loved -- I've let them change me.

    If you think you will unavoidably break down then it's easier for Snickers for you to not be there.

    I think it's important for me to be there. I wouldn't have missed those last couple of minutes with Socks -- I brought her a new ball. She didn't want to play with it cos she felt too horrible. But she appreciated the thot and the 'feel of a new ball in your mouth' was apparently the best gift I could have given her. And with Foxy? It's honestly probably a good thing it was JUST me and the Fox. He never was close to David ... and saying goodbye as just Foxy and I was somehow ... right.

    I'm sitting her bawling ... it's hard to lose them ... but oh, the richness and depth of their love has made me SO Much a better person.

    I've told you all about Foxy's situation -- and he was ready. I guess it's just part of me being 'me' to want to say goodbye.

    It's not easy to maintain control -- shoot I thot I was doing so good with Foxy and later that evening I puked uncontrollably for hours. Would I have changed it? NO WAY.

    But I think if you think of your girl and the relationship she's had with you ... how is she going to feel about this? I think you'll find the answer surprisingly clear ... what WOULD she say to you? She tried FOR YOU, Karen. She knew how upset you were and she tried .. so now you have to ask yourself how much 'LONGER' is it right to ask of her?

    Life really isn't something that must be extended at all costs ... *quality* of life is too important ... especially to a dog. If you have to release her from pain do it without guilt ... simply because you know she'll be unhappy just lingering, particularly if she can't be with you and fill the role with you she has loved you with for so long.

    I'm here if you need to talk.

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    I'm so sorry that Snickers isn't doing better but I think Callie said it all better than I could. My thoughts and prayers are with all of you. I know how difficult this can be.

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    Well, I'm sitting here bawling too.  I'm hoping and praying for a miracle for you and Snickers, but please know that whatever you decide, I'm here for you too.

    Callie, as usual that was beautiful. 

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    Callie that was so....well, I'm in tears. 

    Prayers and good thoughts for Snickers, and comforting thoughts for you whichever the outcome.  Left Hug Right Hug 

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    thanks you everyone for your good thots...

    Callie, you just know what to say to help, it's amazing. 

     Well today things look slightly better. She ATE actual kibble on her own for the first time today!! and kept it down. Her levels are at 26 (I think that's the magic number where she gets hungry again, it's where she was at when she stopped eatting). They brought up sending her home for the weekend, but I didn't want to push it since she hasn't been stable for 24 hours so I opted to put her in the weekend facility for at least another day since she just had a transfusion last night and DH is NOT gonna let me hospitalize her again so this is her shot. The agglutination in her blood is less today too!. This place actually had one of their employees transport her for me since i'm three hours away (not normal procedure). That was so incredible of them to do for me...I was panicking since I'm new in my job and just took off three days so it'd have been very bad if I had taken off today to go drive my dog around (they'd not have understood that at all).

    Here's hoping this trend of good continues... she may get to come home tomorrow night if it does! I know with this disease there are ups and downs and I expect another down, but here's hoping...

     The worst part is that she is on cyclosporine, a drug that is $750 a month to maintain. I may try and get it from Canada where prices are slightly lower, they gave me a website.

     

     

     

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    Hooray for eating!!! Snickers, I'm so happy that you're doing a little better. Keep trying, good girl!