Billy an Adventurous (Rah) Update

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    Billy an Adventurous (Rah) Update

    Ok ... WE GOT DIAGNOSIS!!!!!

    Leave it to my boy not to do anything by halves!!

    Why the 'liver' (ALT value) was so bad in the bloodwork, why he's a bit off his food, etc. etc. etc. 

    The little bugger has pancreatitis!!!

    Now this isn't a "too much turkey fat" kind of pancreatitis.  Billy has is actually an "infection" -- now 'pancreatitis' literally means "pancreas inflamed" - but it can be a whole range of problems, from a pancreas that just isn't 'good' (like my Prissy's was) to a systemic infection (which is what Billy has).

    He's also got some hepatitis.  Now that is NOT like the viral human version of hepatitis where you're just sick for the rest of your life.  NOPE.  This is again literally just inflammation of the liver probably again caused by a systemic infection -- literally infection that has centered in a place in the body (and the liver and pancreas are 'neighbors' essentially and touch each other so if one has an infection the other would too).

    THIS IS **NOT** BAD NEWS. 

    Not at all -- this is literally just probably the result of the fact that he was on immune-suppressors for SO long and has been flirting with one infection after another as a result -- one of them simply didn't 'go away' and went DEEP in and settled in to stay for a while.

    I caught this darned early just because I thot he wasn't feeling good.   (Typically a dog with pancreatitis will 'crash' sometimes with bloody vomiting and diarreha but that's not the case). 

    So, they (both Dr. B AND Dr. D) agree and have added another antibiotic.  Still taking the clavamox (which is a penecillin derivative - it's a cousin to amoxycillin) but they've added Baytril (which is a bit lesser version of Cipro that they use on dogs -- it's very well tolerated and doesn't make them sick ... BUT that means that if we HAVE to we can step up to the Cipro if we gotta later on).

    Frankly this is all REALLY good news. 

    I was terrified we were seeing liver failure, but nope -- from the bloodword it's apparent it is JUST infection. Gobs of globulins (infection) and the amylase and lipase are not just 'high' but double what they should be (and that pairing of 'double' values is what tipped both vets off to pancreatitis) -- it's  VERY treatable and easily treatable actually. 

    He's acting like he feels GOOD and Dr. D got his back adjusted last night so he was feeling really good.

    Dr. D's comment was "Ok, so his blood results  are sucky ... BUT, in the words of Dr. Sherr up at UF (older, very very experienced and one of the heads up there) 'You don't treat the bloodwork -- you treat THE DOG!!!' and Billy doesn't feel bad, he's feeling really pretty darned good!!  So it may take a while but we WILL clear this up!!"

     This is NOT about diet ... this is about a bacterial infection running around.  My experience with pancreatitis was of the fatty-food-related variety.  This is different. 

    It's actually both the liver and pancreas both that have infection.  Like I said, he doesn't do anything by half ... BUT I'm tickled beyond belief that this is infection and not 'failure'.  In fact, the one value (GGTP on the Antech values) indicates the cells are FINE!!!  whooo hooo

     It's interesting -- this type of stress CAN stress the heart, so the murmur is explained -- may or may not go away but explained.  The back was actually the red herring in all this!!

     

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    Almost anyone else I'd say, gosh, I'm so sorry he's sick.  But, with you and Billy.......YIPPEEEEE!!!

    This is good news indeed!

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    YES YES YES YES YEESSSSSSSSSSSSS! Billy-boy! I'm sitting in history lecture with tears in my eyes! I'm so so so glad you're on the way to being well!

    Pirate wants me to tell you that even tho mamma SEZ bayril is supposta be chewy you shouldn't take it til she puts it in wibbywurms.

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    You go Billy!

    Kord will eat your share of the turkey skin Stick out tongue if I let him, not you be good for you mom!

     

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    He snarfed it down this morning (he thinks chewables are just sewwwwwwwwwwww kewel -- I mean messinine that's a TREAT !!! But now Foxy thot the same as Pirate -- THAT AIN'T a treat!!!)

    I'm stealing time cos I'm thinking most sane people reading that would think "what the heck is she THINKING 'rah' about pancreatitis" -- but in the vast world of organ failure a) you think GREAT cos the liver will regenerate, and b) the fact that it is NOT organ failure is such a big, huge, mega, hairy, waaahooooooooooooo deal it makes everything else pale in comparison.

    The fact that I started all this nutty "sick dog care" stuff 32 years ago with Miss Priss.  SHE had pancreatitis.  SHE had it BAD.  (vomiting blood and bile and bleeeaakkkkkkkk junk from BOTH ends -- omg she was SO unbelieveably sick.  She was 3.  She had it her whole life.  She lived to be TWENTY-ONE)

    It's kinda almost this full circle thing.  I know more than I did then.  I know NOW that it's not always the same 'thing'.  I was just so darned relieved last night I nearly bawled. 

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    When I read the word 'pancreatitis' I nearly lost it - you scared me !!! 

    Its great when you actually have ANSWERS, isn't it ?    now you know what to treat.   I'm thinking the fact that his body "reacting" shows he's fighting the infection  - it means he's strong enough to try and fight it, right ?   hopefully the antibiotics will work quickly so that he can feel ALL ALL ALL better real fast.

      

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    Awwww, yay for Billy!  I'm SO happy for you--of course you almost bawled!  My parents' Tessa has had pancreatitis TWICE, but it was the fatty-food kind (Dad would NOT listen when Mom and I told him how awful his "kindness" actually was for her).  It was apparently really, really gross--and really scary.  So glad Billy's isn't that sort and that they're already getting him on the mend! :) 

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    JoAnnDe

    When I read the word 'pancreatitis' I nearly lost it - you scared me !!! 

    I KNEW it was gonna scare you!!!  I almost said "JoAnnDe DON'T get scared!!" *giggle*  And yeah, knowing what TO treat ... and honestly knowing it's not that the drugs he was on caused an organ to 'fail' ... these things give hope!!!  He's feeling good -- really truly is. 

    I'm under NO illusions -- my biggest concern in this thread is that someone searching for info on pancreatitis is going to think it's a walk in the park. 

    IT IS NOT!!!!!

    Pancreatitis is like most 'diseases' -- there are degrees of it and it CAN surely be fatal.  It can be simply a 'bad' pancreas, it can be an animal who has seriously been fed improperly (and yes, an overdose of turkey fat on Thanksgiving is very likely one of the BIGGEST causes of pancreatitis all year long) -- but it can also be simply an inflamed pancreas.  It can run the gamut from an animal throwing up BLOOD and having bloody discharge from the anus (and that animal may literally be so weak it can't stand up) to an animal like Billy who is virtually "asymptomatic" -- i.e., not showing any symptoms much.

    It is treatable -- it may take a while to get an animal stabilized.  And I know for SURE that we have to be ultra careful with Billy -- they've taken him off most all meds he's been on, and we have changed almost every single thing!  His food has to be ultra carefully monitored -- I happen to know *how* to feed a pancreatic dog but even his beloved braunschweiger has to be super super carefully monitored because of the fat content.

    Pancreatic dogs don't do well with dairy -- that was why he was refusing the ricotta cheese last week -- THAT was making him ill where other things were well tolerated. 

    But he's doing well.  And trust me -- I may be relieved but I'm watching him like a freakin hawk!!!  But I am relieved.  I know WHAT to treat now .. it's not a mystery.  it's a sickness -- so we'll deal.  CAREFULLY but we *will* deal!!

    Thanks folks!!  Billy sure appreciates ALL the posts!!! (he's darned puffed up to be honest! LOL)

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    to an animal like Billy who is virtually "asymptomatic" -- i.e., not showing any symptoms

       Perhaps the most important lesson I've learned from your posts is to take your dog to the vet if you have a feeling in your gut that something's wrong and not to feel foolish for doing it. You caught the IMHA early and now the pancreatitis and have saved Billy's life twice. Rah for Billy!!! I'm so very glad it's a treatable infection and that he's feeling better. You go Billy!

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    jessies_mom
    Perhaps the most important lesson I've learned from your posts is to take your dog to the vet if you have a feeling in your gut that something's wrong and not to feel foolish for doing it.

    Amen to that !  

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    Man-- you guys have NO idea how happy that makes me.  Sometimes I just despair when I hear people talk about how "expensive it is to take a dog to the vet" -- and yet they're running THEMSELVES to the doctor if they don't feel good!!

    TELL ME -- **where** can you have a hysterectomy completely done with pre-op bloodwork for $120???  that's the general charge for a spay.  I mean really -- why is that 'expensive'. 

    not all of us have the money to take the dog to the vet all the time -- but often one visit NOW can be way less expensive than a big deal later on. 

    If the pancreatitis had developed fully -- I'm not sure we'd have won (because his organs have taken such a beating with the IMHA).  But we will get this inflammation down and frankly it's only been some bloodwork and antibiotics. 

    But if I've gotten the message across to "know your dog" and check something out, then I've done what I want to do.  I'm so glad, Janice and JoAnn, to hear you say that it brings tears to my eyes!!!

    Never feel stupid for listening to your dog. 

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    I've been thinking about Billy alot the past day or two - how's he doing ?   You know I just love that little guy :)

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    JoAnnDe

    I've been thinking about Billy alot the past day or two - how's he doing ?   You know I just love that little guy :)

    I LOVE IT WHEN YA THINK OF ****ME****!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    This is ME, Billy the V.E.C.spanYELL

    Been ta Dr. D (holistic vet tonite wif Tom the ACE tech who sails treats fur me under the door!!) -- she says I LOOK bedder and my pulses are bedder an ... (who is James Brown an why does everbuddy dance when I say "i feel gooooooooddddddddddddd!!!";)

    But I DO!!  My tail wags a zillion miles an hour.  Dr. D (sprise the holsitic vet) wants me on anty-biotics a bit longer .. whoooooooo hoo -- BABY FOOD!!!  yep, that's what mom's usin insteada brunschwieggy -- lamb, chicken and beef!  YUM  ... and this weekend she got baby food green BINS an mixed it in ... yum!!!!! (luner beller an Kee like it 2!!!)

    Next week I gotta has anuther big guns blood test.  That's sposted ta tell bunches about how I'm feelin.... but heck .. me an this Jimmy Brown guy "I FEEEL GOOOOOOD!!!!"

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    Hooray Billy - I'm glad your waggin that tail and feeling better !   Good pulses is GOOOOOD !   

    Prancer says "Hi Bilwy - I'm still on vakashun cuz I did a widdle swyip when we wus walkin n mommy gots scared dat mwy weg is stwill hurted.  Dr R is away so mommy cudnt tawk to her so shes makin me stway in jwail ... I mean vakashun ... all da time again.   I glad you fwrelin bedder - my mommy likes you alot and towd me dat Dr R wuz your doktar too"

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     JoAnne; I hope Prancer's leg heals very soon; I'll be sending good thoughts.

     

    Callie; I hope that the results from the blood test will show improvement; sure sounds like it will.