Please Help!! Many tests, No results .. Very sick Rotty

This is a letter sent out to veterinarians in Canada about Proheart6
 
[linkhttp://www.wyethah.ca/pdfs/Canine/EngLetterMarch16.pdf]http://www.wyethah.ca/pdfs/Canine/EngLetterMarch16.pdf[/link]
 
That sure is a lot of comparable symptoms, I hope everything turns out ok, glad you are finding insight here.... let us know what your vet says.

Shes beautiful, giver her kisses for me, I hope shes okay.

She is a beauty!  She just looks smart.  I hope and pray all goes well for her.   I will be watching every day for news.  Take care.  And give her a hug for me, ever so gentle, but a hug anyway--or a kiss on the head.

He is absolutely beautiful! 
I hope that we have provided you with just a little help!  I guess you have to work from here, and gather your information and see what you can do. I suppose you must just treat all the symptoms and hope it it will keep him going. It sure does seem unreal that he has all these symptoms with no name for a disease, doesn't it?
Please know  that we are all here behind you and are pulling for you and your baby girl.  We will be watching for your posts and praying that she feels better! Its sad that this had to happen...

Hi There Y'All,
 
Hmmm
 
Im a bit dissapointed, ok a lot dissapointed. The additional tests have come back (joint taps etc), clear of course. Technically she is a healthy puppy, i wish she truly was! The medical results and the actual physical tell a very different story!!
I have spoken to the specialist about Proheart, though not convinced he did say he was open to looking into it further but that he had not seen any cases of concern of the drug in australia......... the symptoms mentioned could also relate to many other diseases ...... I will not give up though and will keep looking into whats going on.
 
I had to make a decision as they cannot keep her on the high doses of morphine she has been relying on for her pain relief, so I have decided to put her back on steroids as they really seemed to help her and make a difference. Hopefully will see some improvement in her overall wellbeing over the next few says and she can come home
 
Thanks everyone for your support, I am inspired and touched by the care you all have shown for my puppy. She is a very special, very very special girl to me!
 
It seems I still have a very long way to go from here in getting her well.
 
Ill keep you all updated!!
 
 
 

She is special and she sure is loved by you, that alone will help her.
At least your vet will look into possibilities of the HW shot...and isn't saying a flat out "NO IT CAN'T BE" like so many did here before the FDA had them remove it from the market.   And actually, even that, the FDA gave them a chance to voluntarily take it off the market.
Yes, please keep us update!

Be careful of that vet- I am in the pile of people who lost their dogs to Proheart. My vet (well, the company- a nationwide chain)  was at the Ft. Dodge meeting and said that there had been only 1 adverse reaction to the proheart drug- when clearly that wasn't true because I know other people who took their dogs to that chain vet, got pushed into it, and their pups got sick.
Here's Candy's site if you're interested.
[linkhttp://www.dogsadversereactions.com/moxidectin/memorial18.html#candy]http://www.dogsadversereactions.com/moxidectin/memorial18.html#candy[/link]
 
I'll be praying for you and your pup. I wonder if there's an FDA like there is in the US where you can file a report on it.

Gee Laura,,,I lost you in the shuffle I guess!!!  I didn't realize you lost a dog to ph6 too!  I'm so sorry!

Awwww these stories are sooo sad,  its heart breaking!! If only there were more warnings available and not pushed onto people. I was quite happily giving those monthly or 3 monthly chewy tablets and it was my two previous Vets including the one who then referred me to the specialists I am seeing now that told me how good and easy the product was, that there would be "no problems whatsoever, oh no definitley not", that I decided to go ahead with the injection.. I mean you trust your Vets ... Don't you??? Especially when a product is recommended by two of them??
 
Whilst I think the currect Vet Specialist is very caring (better than most) its still hard to know what really drives them. He works very hard and long hours so I cant see that he would be doing that if he didnt care for the animals welfare he was working to help??
 
Hopefully when I go to pick Keisha up tonight we can have a more in depth conversation about the possibility of this being the case........
 
 

Yes we trusted our vets when told it was perfectly safe---and they were trusting the sales reps that told them that!  If my vet had not told, after Hunter was diagnosed and we had covered everything in the previous two months that "When it comes time for his next injection we are going back to the monthly pills"  I never would have suspected PH6 as being the cause of his AIHA, I mean he had gotten the i jection 5 weeks before.  Then I find that the usual onset between the cause and the disease setting is is 2 to 4 weeks, and possibily longer, and then it takes a while for the owners to realize something is wrong in most cases.  So the injection is not suspect.  Same with the ones with liver damage.

 

[font=arial][size=2]I mean you trust your Vets ... Don't you??? Especially when a product is recommended by two of them??

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I guess all I can say is "I used to!" But I used to also trust doctors more than I do now also. Are they in the business of ruining our health?  Heck no! But as Sandra says,, when it comes to drugs,,many are motivated by the sales people from the drug companies. I have almost NEVER been to my own family doctor without seeing a drug salesman/lady coming or going there. They are ALWAYS there.  I think sometimes (most times in some cases) the doctors give us the samples or prescriptions to drugs that the sales people painted as a great product.  For me, the good vets are the ones that didn't fall into the PH6 drug that fast,,,they sat back and waited, saying that they don't like to try any new drug until its been proven. And the problem with PH6 or worse, with the 12 month injection, is that it stays in the body for so long. If there is to be problems,,,, your stuck for all that time.  To be honest I have always even hated timed released drugs or vitamins just for that reason. AND then there is the problem of "what if the time-release" mechanism fails??  Then they get too much at one time.  Nope not for me. 
And we can not ever forget that Heartworm preventatives do NOT prevent heartworm, they are pesticides,,,they kill the heartorm IF your dog gets it.  So to put a pesticide in your dogs body for 6 or 12 months and something fails.............
Suzanne, I do believe your right about your vet that you think is caring and works so hard.  Many vets just don't have an idea about some of these things, and were told how wonderful these drugs are...why wouldn't they not give them to your dog?  
 I hope your Keisha comes home today, she will be so happy in your care. Please let us know later!

I would consider detoxing your dog of the vaccines.  I have done this to my dogs thru Dr. Gloria Dodd in California. 
 
Click on the link then go to the left side and click on Detox Vaccinosis.
 
[linkhttp://www.holisticvetpetcare.net/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=SFNT]http://www.holisticvetpetcare.net/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=SFNT[/link]
 
My dog scratched for 4 straight months from the barage of vaccines he got at the shelter.  I detoxed him and it lasts for 7 years supposedly.  After they get the rquired rabies vaccine, I immediately give a homeopathic dose NUX VOMICA to help them expel it 
 
I think parsley is a good detoxer too and raw chicken fat carries toxins out of the body..

Some of the test you have done have nothing to do with any of the symptoms you listed. I see that you had an MRI done but have you been to an actual neurologist? All of your symptoms  could be connected to a neurological abnormality which is why they are always hard to diagnose. Since you have already gone above and beyond in tests with your vet I would request a copy, contact your closest vet university and take your baby there. They have the facilities, equipment and staff to dedicate to things like this while our vets usually stick to a "15 minute in and out" in their clinics. If your baby has a neurological disorder it could affect everything you have listed. These are all very broad signs though so I can understand where the difficulty in diagnosis comes from. I would take her to a university or your closest neurologist and get more tests done. I have a feeling this could be a CNS issue or a neurological problem but I could be wrong.
 
Where are you located? I may be able to give you a referral for a good university or contact.

What a beautiful dog your Rottie is. So sorry to hear about these problems. I too think you could contact Dr. Dodd and try and detox the dog naturally. Here is her email
Everglo [everglo@mcn.org]
 
I emailed her for help for my dog and she responded with what to do the next day. I wish I had found her sooner and had time to save my German Shepherd Sam from a horrible drug reaction and death in less than a week on May 19th.

Please Read this if you have a minute to see the horror of drug reactions.
 
[color=#000000]Please Read  "Sam's Story" here: [linkhttp://www17.brinkster.com/beausam1/][font=verdana,geneva]http://www17.brinkster.com/beausam1/[/link]

I will put you both in my prayers...keep us posted

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I will love you forever my beautiful boy.

Hi There,
 
My head is in such a spin, it seems the more you think you are doing to help, due to different advice and putting all your trust into the professionals the worse you can make things. As in Sams mums additional message, keisha was also put on the fentinal patch to help with pain. It was on her for a few days. I am stuck as to what to do because without any drugs she is in soooo much pain, yet with them things (whatever is really going on with her) are still progressing along for the worse. I need to find out what is going on with her, and still nothing is showing up. She is also on the [font=verdana][font=arial]cyprofloxicyn, and they are just suggesting now to put her on non-steroidal drugs as her body cannot cope with the steroids. I dont want her to go through what poor Sam did, but i just dont know what to do [/font][/font]
 
Latest update:-
 
Since the last entry Keisha has been to and fro the Vet specialists. We took her off the steroids and this caused her very intense pain requiring methadone shots every 6 or so hours ti keep her calm. She stayed there for about a week. More blood tests showed another urinary tract infection.
 
I then decided to put her back on the steroids as at least then she could come home, antibiotic tablets for her urinary tract and antacids to help her stomach.
 
For two weeks she seemed to respond well, even showing some signs of her personality that she hasnt shown in quite a while. I had hoped this was a good sign to at least being a stable happy girl again.
 
Now she is back at the Vet hospital, as it turns out the steroids that were seeming to help her, may have now given her an ulcer. I took her to the Vet as she was very unsteady (almost drunk) on her feet, and could barely walk let alone get herself up to go for a wee which now takes quite a long time due to the amount of water she is drinking due to the medication.
 
The plan now is that they will monitor her overnight, send off some more blood tests, the senior veterinarian will have a look over her as well. Failing any more insight there, i have managed to locate a lady who specialises in hard to diagnose cases at the University. As a "Sixth" opinion I hope she may be able to give us something to go on? From the information I have  been given there are only 3 other people I could take her to that could offer any assistance medically? My closest Homeopathy person is almost an hour away. Im just not confident on what to do anymore.
 
Its so hard to know, is it the vaccine, is it the new medication, is it something completely diffferent and rare that no one can seem to diagnose whats wrong with her?? I feel at a loss, and I know that she cannot continue this way for much longer. She is losing weight and condition, though her face is still full of life and potential cheekiness. I feel I need a miracle to get her better
 
If I detox her, will she go back to the intense pain she was in, barely moving, just existing or do I continue with the drugs and medicines that seem to help her get through the day? When do I stop? Until I have some answers I cannot make any real certain decisions. I just cant seem to pin point what may have caused this. She got vaccinated after she started being sick (stupid of the vet now I know), she was desexed after the first signs of being sick (as the vets wanted to make sure there was no abdominal infection), and the medication has been after her inital signs, in an attempt to make her confortable. What happened last September to start this all off??
 
Everyones suggestions have been very helpful, thankyou!! I will email Dr Dodd and see what suggestions she can offer also.
 
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