When To Say It's Probably Not Ringworm

    • Gold Top Dog

    When To Say It's Probably Not Ringworm

    I have a hunch that my 2-year old vizsla has a mild food allergy that's masquerading as ringworm, and I am wondering if anyone's faced something similar. Here's the background:

     1.  This dog has had major problems with his ears practically his whole short life, and 95% of the Ear Horror has been solved with diet changes. No more grain made the terrible yeast go away. No more chicken made the horrible puffiness and really splitting sores go away. No more corn-fed meat made the inflammation and more of the sores go away. Now he's on a beef-and-fish based diet with lamb bones and sweet potatoes and mashed veg and a handful of supplements: tahini, salmon oil, yogurt, braggs apple cider vinegar, etc. Overall, he looks awesome and has great energy and isn't neurotic, etc. 

    2. All that's left is this persistent dry crusty outer-ear flap sore, paired with an occasional dry, scaly sore on the inside of his ear--the part with all the cartilage that looks like your ear. He doesn't seem to be pain anymore, but if he's bored he will worry his ears, and still gets *very* groany when other people rub them.

    3. My vet and I are going around and around about the idea that this leftover crustiness is ringworm. I've been dosing him with a topical antifungal for almost three months, and it hasn't changed much. But she's convinced it is ringworm, is arguing with me about his diet. She looks at him and on one hand says he's in "perfect health" and can't get over how nice his coat looks and how much better his ears look, but on the other then says that he's obviously not shaking the ringworm because he's got a dietary deficiency because I am not feeding him kibble. But I see that we've been treating him for three months for something that just might not be ringworm. I think that he's just got an allergy-based dryness that's not being helped any by the anti-fungal medicine. 

    This arguing is getting expensive, and like the rest of us I am looking for ways to stop spending money. 

     My own ringworm research indicates that ringworm resolves itself in a few months even if you don't treat it, and I am tired of paying money to argue with my vet, who has done nothing but complicate this whole allergy problem by periodically freaking out about nutrition. I am thinking that the right thing to do is treat the dryness with a pallative like bag balm and wait it out. 

     Opinions? What's the worst thing that could happen?

    • Gold Top Dog

     Oh, I forgot to add that he's been tested thrice: one inconclusive, one positive, followed by one inconclusive. She wants me to do another. Each test is like $50.

    • Gold Top Dog

    have you tried shinning a black light on the stop? Sometimes, but not always, you'll get a blueish glow if it really is ringworm.

    From your description though, it doesn't sound like it.

    • Gold Top Dog

    In honesty?  I think you need a different vet.  When a vet begins to get frustrated with a problem that won't go away (particularly when the client has self-resolved most of it withOUT you) they may become argumentative. 

    I'm not going to say to 'leave' that vet -- not at all.  But I am going to suggest a different type of vet that will a) applaud your diet saavy and the changes you've made and b) will help you think outside of the box a bit to find a solution.

    I've had particularly good results referring people thru the Chi Institute website.  It's "TCVM" or traditional Chinese veterinary medicine.  They will do a completely different *type* of exam -- not just skin scrapings or tests, but literally reading the body's own signs and listening to what's going on inside that the body can tell us. 

    Acupuncture might seem a funny suggestion here but it helps skin issues and immune issues and many other things.  But it's included in the visit.  And often TCVM vets operate in other modalities as well -- like I said, it's a whole different type of evaluation. 

    My own musings would say a few things:

    1.  Ringworm has 999 varieities.  It's a fungus and quite frankly it's quite a "basket of leftovers" at this point -- it's mutated and has more facets than anyone can keep track of.  And particularly pharmaceutical topicals are things some fungi just plain become resistant to. 

    The problem is they then want to go on to other, stronger antifugals and they are VERY hard on the body. 

     True ringworm can sometimes self resolve.  Often it doesn't.  But you can't just do the same treatment with no results either. 

    2.  *Typically* ringworm may have some minor scabbing -- and the edges of the ears ARE a primary place to see ringworm.  But mostly ringworm is hairless spots -- the scabbing is usually secondary.

    3.  That leads me to say either this isn't ringworm or it isn't typical and it's time to do something else.

    In 3 months I would think it would spread.

    4.  I would think one wise step would be some detoxing.  If this dog has always had skin issues that you are resolving successfully with food -- then a good share of what is left may simply be toxins trying to find a way out of the body -- and I would think a good detox would be in order -- that's a holistic vet thing, NOT a regular vet thing. 

    5.  You likely have gone as far as diet may let you -- and it sounds like you're pretty on top of what causes what.  I would think just a further direction change -- like TCVM which is very very diet-oriented -- might truly help you effect that further change that is needed.

     

    • Gold Top Dog

    I'd get a second opinion either way.

    I can't say whether it's ringworm in your case or not, but I can say that we have two groups of stray kittens at work that came in two months ago with ringworm and it has been a devil to get rid of. Only one kitten got the hairless spots, the others got crustiness.  Currently we have two that have finally cleared it and thirteen others that still have fungus, although it is now on just one or two spots per kitten.

     

    • Gold Top Dog

     Hi everyone,

     Thanks for the replies.  I decided to just ignore it/put bag balm on it for a little while, and it looks much, much better, with no more scabbing and hair growing back in. I think his ears were just dry.