Seizure question....

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    Seizure question....

    I have talked to a number of folks who appear to have something in common.  They all have dogs that are  hpyer/nervous by nature (meaning that is how that are every day and have always been that way), and they have dogs that experience seizure activity that has not been diagnosed with medical testing.  I know that dogs with epilepsy can be hyper and/or nervous at the onset of a seizure, but these dogs are wired all the time.  Is there a particular siezure disorder that is seen in hyper dogs.... or are there certain types of hyperactivity disorders that can spark seizures in dogs?

    Some dogs are on Phenobar, some on nothing, some on melatonin......... none have been diagnosed and all get unremarkable testings in blood work, x-rays, ua.... not all have had MRIs or CTs.

    Any thoughts?

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    Not quite sure what you're asking --- at this point "epilepsy" has simply become virtually synonymous with "has seizures".  It's not really diagnosed as a disease anymore (that information I got from the tw neuro vets up at the University of Florida at Gainesville -- Dr. Clemmons, head neuro-surgeon, and Dr. Chrissman, then-head of Dept.).

     Why?  Simply because the field has grown so broad -- they know they can't always "diagnose" anything specifically.  Years ago they classified seizures as "grand mal" and "petit mal" and now even those have fallen away in favor simply of time.  "A seizure that last ...." measured in minutes often tells the tale of severity.  But they also realize that certain obsessive things (fly-catching, air-licking, obsessive repetitive movements) *are* seizure activity.

    I've never had Kee Shu tested, but rather than put her on pheno or potassium bromide we control her seizury/obsessive stuff with herbs and acupuncture (and wow, there's a conscious DOG there and she has a personality!!!! WOW!).    I'm not sure there is a point to testing at this point -- management is more the key. 

    Now Kee is not at all nervous and probably never was even when she was young.  Abused?  very likely.  There are always lots of similiarities between certain aspects of seizures.  But unfortunately in this case, "diagnosis" is likely only to lead to heavy drugs that have severe life-limiting side effects.  It doesn't lead to a cure -- only to a label.

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    At work weve put a dog on Phenobarbital after nothing else worked to control acting crazy constantly. This was sort of recent so not sure how its working out yet but the Doc was saying something about sometimes its seizure like activity to just be all around crazy all the time...?

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    Ian Dunbar has had success treating random aggression with seizure meds. He wrote about it in one of his books (and I can't remember which... I got it at the library).

     

    Emma is epileptic, and she is the calmest PRT most people have ever met. A lot of it is learned calmness. I reward settled, calm behavior very heavily. A lot of it is that her needs are satisfied. She eats a great diet, she has several "jobs" to do, and she is almost constantly stimulated. Still, she has a cluster of seizures about every six months. It seems to be largely seasonal. Diet helps, tremendously (she was seizuring DAILY, before). Learning to BE calm, and reward calm has made a big difference. She is not on any regular medication, for her seizures. She does get Rescue Remedy and chamomile, when she's stressed. Valerian can occasionally cause her to act reaaallly weird, so I usually don't give her that. Very, very rarely, I'll give her a valium to stop her from clustering.