Is it time?

    • Bronze

    Is it time?

    Ok so this may sound funny but "he came out today for the first time". Hes been humping but hardly ever, well today it came out but he wasnt even humping. Does this mean hes ready to be neutured? Hes only 4.5 months old...
    • Gold Top Dog
    he's past ready , go for it ASAP
    • Bronze
    I called the vet yesterday to ask if i could have it done, that i was afraid hes start humping everything.. they told me hes too young, i have to wait till hes 6months
    • Gold Top Dog
    What about your local humane society.  They usually only make you wait till they are 3 months and with my experience they do a good job.
    • Gold Top Dog
    Darn i think i just pushed cancel...if this is a repeat, ignore.. I dissagree with your vet but what ever he/she is used to doing, or that he/she is comfortable with then don;t argue, it is not time to change his/her position
     
    this article below came from one of the journals and I think it is pretty good, but just my opinion//
     
    Early spay
     
    Prepubetal goadectomy
    >http://www.ivis.org/advances/Concannon/olson/chapter_frm.asp?LA=1
     
    Inside A Maryland SPCA
    >By James . Bryant, DVM

    >I have been associated with the spay-neuter program at the Maryland
    >SPCA since Oct. 1981. While there, I have preformed over 13'000
    >surgeries. I began spaying and neutering puppies and kittens between 8
    >weeks and 6 months of age. In January of this year i performed over
    >500. I hope my thoughts and
    >information will be of value to those veterinarians in private practice and
    >animal shelters considering similar programs.

    >Ages of animals at the shelter must be estimated because exact ages of
    >surgery patients are often unknown. Kittens or puppies weighing less
    >than 2 pounds are not large enough for elective surgery. Males that do
    >not have testicles descended should be allowed more time to develop. I
    >estimate weeks, months or years for each animal. My mental catagories
    >are 8 to 12 weeks, 12 to 18 weeks, and over 4 months of age, and the
    >traditional 6 months of age. The animals 12 to 18 weeks are better
    >surgery candidates than those over 6 months in several ways. The 12 to
    >18 weeks animals will not be in estrus, be pregnant, or have already
    >been spayed, and will have less mature vascularity to the organs to be
    >excised.

    >;Probably the most difficult surgery I do is to spay an animal that has
    >already spayed. (amen to that). I find few disadvantages to performing
    >surgeries on 12 to 18 week old puppies and kittens.they are in a period
    >of rapid growth and have an emerging immune system. They require
    >careful presurgical screening for anemia due to parasites. Kittens over
    >12 weeks of age are tested for leukemia.

    >;Puppies and kittens under 12 weeks of age are more of a surgical
    >challenge. Health factors to be evaluated include anemia, diarrhea,
    >dehydration, hypothermia and hypoglycemia. This age group has a very
    >immature immune system. Smooth rapid surgery is essential. The choice
    >of anesthesia is critical. Injections of barbiturates should be at
    >maximum dilution (2% thiamalyl sodium) . Gas anesthesia should be
    >minimized to avoid post surgical edema. Accurate measurements and
    >careful administration of injectable anesthetics and adjunvents is
    >essential. Due to the age and size of these patients, there is less
    >margin for error.

    >Each animal shelter has a different situation concerning public
    >relations, community sentiment, and financial backing and veterinary
    >relationships. Many animal shelters, like ours, admit that 25% of
    >;puppies and kittens adopted were not spayed or neutered, despite
    >binding contracts. A pre-adoption spay or neuter program allows more
    >stringent population control for adopted animals. Adoption response for
    >already spayed or neutered puppies and kittens has been tremendous. The
    >mortality of these surgeries has been no higher than those done at
    >traditional ages.

    >In my many years as a surgeon at the shelter, I have had only two
    >animals die that were previously adopted and returned for spaying or
    >neutering. I shall never forget the near hysterical reaction when I
    >informed each owner of their pets death (amen again). I will never
    >forget my feelings of inadequacy and remorse (third amen). The loss of
    >a patient is always hard, but the unexpected severing of an
    >animal-human bond at about 6 months of age, compared to a pet the owner
    >has never met, brings predictable grief. Spaying and neutering prior to
    >adoption prevents this circumstance and spared the new pet owner the
    >anxiety.

    >################################# Early neutering

    >Incidental prebuertal neutering Short-term results and complications of
    >;prepubertal gonadectomy in cats and dogs.

    >###############################################################

    >Department of Small Animal Medicine and Surgery, College of Veterinary
    >Medicine, Texas A&M University, College Station 77843-4474, USA.

    >OBJECTIVE: To determine short-term results and complications of
    >;prepubertal gonadectomy in cats and dogs. DESIGN: Prospective
    >randomized study.
    >ANIMALS:
    >775 cats and 1,213 dogs. PROCEDURE: Animals undergoing gonadectomy were
    >allotted into 3 groups on the basis of estimated age (group 1, < 12 weeks
    >old; group 2, 12 to 23 weeks old; group 3, > or = 24 weeks old
    • Gold Top Dog
    • Gold Top Dog
    i have always heard they have to be at least 6 months.
    • Gold Top Dog
    ORIGINAL: jaye

    i have always heard they have to be at least 6 months.

     
    You have officially stepped onto controversial ground! lol
    Some hold the position that "it's never too early"... and that's fine, as most rescues and pets will be absolutely fine with this. I know a breeder who neuters/spays all of her puppies before they go to new homes. They heal really fast, she doesn't ever worry about unplanned litters, or pet people who "forgot." The dogs are only 12 weeks old when they go home after being altered at around 10.5-11. Her vet is very good at it.
    Early spay/neuter pretty much eliminates chances of certain types of cancers/tumors, and a lot of times any mating urges. That's a huge plus, especially for a companion dog!
     
    Some hold to the "not until 6 months" position... common thoughts I've heard on this is to let the dog mature, but not sexually. IE fully functional immune system, mostly grown as far as height and such.
     
    Then there are those who hold to the "wait till they've reached sexual maturity." Being a person who shows and competes in many arenas, I don't even have a choice half the time because dogs must be intact to show. Even if I did, I really like to wait a full year on my females. Personal opinion and philosophy I guess. However, when making this decision I understand that I have just taken a huge risk for my dogs as far as STD's, cancer, tumors, etc. I hate owning intact males, so everyone gets the snip-snip ASAP if I'm not showing!!!
     
    Just some thoughts [8|]