glenmar
Posted : 4/29/2006 6:55:07 AM
Yep, I'm gonna back Callie on this one. I don't let my fosters go until at least 10 weeks. The OTHER reason breeders and shelters like them to go early is that they are cuter when they are littler.....even with a german shepherd they are still tiny little babies and they tug at the cute and helpless heartstrings. Now, add to that that it's VERY expensive to properly raise a litter of puppies and the longer they stay, the more they cost. Say my food costs per week are $50 for my litter. Well, one less pup, extends that food to 8 days, 2 less to nine days, etc. And of course, if they are still there at 12 weeks, they're gonna need another shot.
The vaccine your pup got at 7 weeks is likely wasted. Dr. Jean Dodds recommends vacinating (parvo and distemper only) at 9, 12 and between 16-20 weeks. The SERIES isn't really needed. You could keep a pup in a plastic bubble and not vaccinate until 16 weeks.....ONE shot provides the protection. But, pups loose momma immunities between 8 and 15 weeks and there's no telling who lost it when without expensive blood work, so it's become the accepted course, and safer overall for the pups, to do the series.
when a pup is still carrying mommas immunities, a vacine does nothing good. Remember, this is modified live virus being injected into the pup, so it can cause a hit to the immature immune system. And that can lead to stuff like scarops (sp). So vets (the good ones anyway) and breeders space those vaccines out according to Dr. Dodds recommendations to maximize protection and minimize potential damage. But, ONLY one of those shots does the trick....only one is the magic bullet. If a pup happens to be the one that hangs on to momma's immuniies for 15 weeks, he's been given TWO worthless vaccines. And THAT's following Dr. Dodd's recommendations....some are still pushing starting vaccines at FIVE weeks. Not only does that schedule call for at least TWO WASTED vaccines, it puts a lot of stress on the immune system.
Now when I have a litter, I follow Dr. Dodd's like a Bible. And I prefer that pups come BACK to me for the next vaccine.....that way I KNOW they aren't getting the giant combo shots that are soooo unneeded and so hard on the immune system, AND I get a chance to see my babies again!
We have a dog who was "homegrown"....one of those opps litters and we got ONE pup. I "let" it happen by not preventing it, so I saw him as my lifetime responsibility. I use Shadow as a yardstick a lot because he didn't HAVE littermates and didn't ever learn how to play with others nicely. He's a wonderful boy, BUT, he's very vocal (honestly sometimes I think he's part beagle with the arrrrooooooo stuff all the time) We worked HARD on bite inhibition but by golly when the first fosters came along THEY are the ones who finally taught him a thing or two about bite inhibition. As an only it took Shadow a LOT longer to learn stuff. And I recall his social development and then watch my fosters at 8 or 9 or 10 weeks and KNOW the importance of staying with the litter, cuz they just learn manners so much more quickly.
And then there are those pesky fear stages. The first one is between 7 and 10 weeks I think. And it's really important that pups are WITH their litter and their momma's during that time. When pups suddenly become afraid of little every day stuff, its important that they take their cues from momma dog and littermates and NOT from us reactive, wanna make it all better people, cuz we tend to reinforce the silly fears by coddling them. True story...when Sheba was young, I knew nothing about fear stages. We were camping and the guy in the motorhome next to ours was a jerk in all caps. He didn't like dogs, complained about everything and was a real drunken looser. He would do all sorts of stuff to upset Sheba....making faces at her, menacing her, flapping his cane in the air. I didn't know better....now I have a reactive dog. And a reactive GERMAN SHEPHERD can be a scarey thing. She's the sweetest girl you'd ever want to meet, but she takes a LOT of management in public, and there are places we just flat avoid taking her. Because she is so beautiful, and all white, people are drawn to her and won't always LISTEN and they scare her, so there are a lot of things SHE misses out on because of a drunk in a campground and my lack of knowledge. Imagine how bad it would be if her FIRST fear stage had been mishandled. And that's so easy to do with the too young pups. You just want to pick them up and soothe them and chase all the scareys away for them, and that's exactly the WRONG thing to do.
Common practice among local breeders doesn't make anything right. But, please understand that I'm not jumping on YOU for taking the pup so early. You didn't know better. The breeder should have. Often I think they get "stuck" in the rut of how they've always done things and see no reason to change.
I truely would love to see TEN weeks as a minimum age for placing pups. When you watch a litter develop you see such HUGE gains over the course of a couple days and gosh, over a couple weeks, it's leaps and bounds. When I place pups at 10 plus weeks, they are usually pretty well potty trained, they are crate trained and they have a good solid start on leash training. They've pretty well gotten past/been trained out of that obnoxious puppy nipping (I promise you, I have the foot and ankle scars to prove it), they are on a good schedule that just about any new parent can maintain, and they are more able to LEARN from their new parents. And the greater chance I give them to suceed, the less chance that they are gonna come back to me because the new parents just can't handle them.
So yeah, every DAY is huge, that extra week is GIGANTIC!