CCL ROPTURE

    • Silver

    CCL ROPTURE

    First of all Happy New Year!!!
    My new year started at the emergency vet clinic. Let me tell what happened and hopefully someone can help with suggestions.
    Yesterday I took my dog to a park, where I was playing ball with her and she was running around, we stayed there for 30 minutes, then this poeple decided to come in the park so we left. But my puppy didn't really want to leave so I tookk her to the dog park. We staied there for about an hour.
    After that we came home when she slept for the whole day.
    At 2am she woke up and went to her bed in the living room, my other dog out of nothing started to fallow a spider and my puppy wanted to play with it too, but we noticed she was limping, so I got desperate thinking it was the spider that had bit her, so we rushed to the emergency clinic and it wasn't the spider that had caused the problem, but the vet said that it was probably CCL(Cranial Cruciate Ligament Rupture). shE DIDN'T TAKE ANY X-RAYS, but she seemed prety sure it was it.
    She gave us  Rimadyl, it is an analgesic and ati-flammatory for 7 days.
    She said that we should go with surgery for this kind of problem, and also said to make an appontment with our regular vet to disgus what can be best for her.
    Well, I would like epinions on this, if I should start giving her any supplements for joints, if sugery would be best. Please let me know if someone went throgh this and what did you do to make your dogs life better.
    She is 7months old, spayed female.
    Thanks.
    • Gold Top Dog
    If you dont repair it she will be lame for life....It is managable but she will always limp.  Pain meds although effective has side effects over time when using Rimadyl and other types.  Steroids for inflamation put a considerable load on kidneys.
     
    I would do the repair.... I had a repair done on a fourteen year old mutt long before it was common (1977) she went on to hike in Rocky MT National Park.
     
    You need to restrict exercise prior and post surgery to prevent additional damage.  Watch the bandage in case the toes start to spread in a "v" that indicates the bandage is too tight and is restricting fluid flow.
     
    An X will not show most tissue damage.  The diagnosis is based on the joint not demonstrating the proper stability.
    • Gold Top Dog
    I agree. The repair is expensive, but on a seven month old dog, you would be insuring her many more years of drug-free soundness.  (I don't mean to offend, but I don't know your financial situation, so I'll just throw it out for you and any lurkers that there are some charitable org's that may be able to help if you are not able.  Just PM me if you need a list.)
    • Gold Top Dog
    Last week we did ACL ( ???   is that what it was   lol  ) surgery on a Mastiff  at where I work. A specialist came in the do the surgery as our vet does not do that surgery.  My vet also gave Rimadyl at first to see if that would work, when it did not she took exrays.    They were in surgery for a few hours that day, now I know why it is expensive. I think the surgery was to cost around $1500,,,not sure what it ended up in the end.
    Years ago I had the same sort of surgery on my Dane/Shepherd dog...she was my baby,,,how could I not do it??? She lived until around 12 or 13,,,not bad for a giant dog....I can't tell you how happy we were that we made that decision. 
    • Silver
    The remedyl is working great on her.
     It is like nothing happened, but I don't want to take any chances, I try to keep her in a quite room, so she will sleep, sometimes is its pretty hard to keep her quite she is a pitbull puppy with tons of energy. Her knee is kind of swollen, and I know it hurts, because when I tough it she will make me stop.
    • Silver
    quite she is

     
    I meant "QUIET"
    • Bronze
    It is actually either a posterior or anterior cruciate ligament.  Either ACL or PCL.  There is no such thing as a cranial cruciate ligament.  It equates to a football player blowing his knee out.  Surgery is the only option for long term correction.  But right now the most important thing is cage rest, otherwise she could rupture the other ligament as well.  Her knee is very unstable right now in this state.  The rimadyl will help initially, but it is only treating the symptom (pain), not the cause.  It is not a long term solution.
    • Silver
    we should go with surgery for this kind of problem, and also said to make an appontment

     
    This is a link I found about CCL.
     
    [linkhttp://sacs.vetmed.ufl.edu/Lewis/Cross-CCL/newpage1.htm]http://sacs.vetmed.ufl.edu/Lewis/Cross-CCL/newpage1.htm[/link]
     
    The vet said it is pretty common, I suppose she woulnd't lie about it.
    Eveybody is telling to go with surgery, I'll tak emy puppy to an orthopedic vet next week, and he will probably take x-rays or do whatever test it is necesary to find out the problem.
    She is being crated, though she will not stop moving in her crate, and crying. or I just confine her to my room, and she will sleep prety much all day.
    Thanks for the info.
     
    Please if someone know how much it for the surgury plus x-rays let me know, I have no clue how much surgery is gonna cost me.
     
    Thanks again
     
     
    • Bronze
    Sorry, I just reread my post and it wasn't very friendly, was it??  Sorry bout that.  I've never heard of a cranial ligament, all the knee surgeries I've helped with in the last six years have been ACLs.  Learn somethin new everyday, don't we?  Again, sorry.  And Happy New Year to you too!!  Hope you had a good one.  And I'm glad the rimadyl is helping, no one likes to be in pain.  Have a good day!!
    • Silver
    And I'm glad the rimadyl is helping, no one likes to be in

     
    No I don't think you were rude, just trying to help out.
    But I confess when I read your post I was like WTF? The vet lied to me???
    When  I started looking for websites talking about it, and found that one.
     
    Happy New year, thanks for the info GUYS.
    • Gold Top Dog
    My dog has a sprained ACL so I feel your pain.  
    Check out the orthodogs and conservative management groups on Yahoo.   Lots of people going through the same thing.  (Sorry to the moderators if I'm not supposed to post other boards).
    • Bronze
    Phew, I was hoping you didnt' think me rude.  Anyway, I just researched it and found that anterier and cranial are synonomous.  They mean the same thing.  That's why I was confused, we just always referred to them as anterior cruciate ligaments or ACL.  It means the same thing.  Anyway, just thought I would add that.  Bye!
    • Gold Top Dog
    I have done to CCL injury surgeries on my golden Maxine in the past year. One on each knee. I was told by my vet that dogs don't have an ACL only a CCL but it is the same type of injury.
     
    Maxine just turned 10 on 12/26 she has alot of life left in her so we opted to do the TPLO surgery on both knees. Yes it is EXPENSIVE but if you follow your vets instructions and give the dog the time it needs to recover they make a full recovery. Max is finishing week number 10, and we are two weeks into what I am calling "physical therapy". This time of year in Michigan, there isn't many places to swim which helped so with her first knee. But we are walking every day unless it is pouring out (this year it is too warm to snow, go figure).
     
    In my opinion if I had a 7 month old dog, and a vet recommended surgery to fix the ruptured CCL I would do it. By the way a good vet can tell a rupture without an xray, but ours were confirmed both times with an xray before surgery.
     
    Good Luck
    Ann
     
    • Gold Top Dog
    My golden Retriever, KayCee has had both knees operated on.  The first was just for luxating patella (knee cap wouldn't stay in place) when she was 16 months old.  Then 14 months later her other knee went totally south and she not only had to have the patella "fixed", but also the ACL had to be repaired.  She turned 7 years old this past Aug 19 and she runs and plays, jumps, spins  and you would never know that at age 2 1/2 she couldn't even get on the bed, had trouble getting up, etc. 
     
    I have had her on joint sups ever since her first surgery. SynoviG3 that i get from my vet and MSM/Glucosamine that I get at Walmart. She never was on pain meds because my vet didn't want her feeling "good enough to over use the leg" before surgery.  Only had meds a few days after surgery also.  And she had to be kept totally inactive 4 weeks the first time, 6 weeks the 2ed time--even the patella surgery this time was more procedures than the first because it was so bad.
     
    I would not use rimadyl as it is a proven killer of dogs and many who lost dogs to it, mostly liver damage, wonders why it is still allowed on the market.([linkhttp://www.dogsadversereactions.com]www.dogsadversereactions.com[/link])  My vet does not prescribe it becuase it is so hard on the dogs' liver and has killed so many.  But the other NSAIDs aren't much better. 
     
    Oh, a hint here if you do go the surgery route, which I am pretty sure would be best.  KayCee has very sensitive skin and had bad razor burn and I smeared her with aloe vera gel several times a day.  Also, because she has tied to sofa leg and couldn't get exercise except the trips outside to do business (always on short leash) I would massage her legs and her spine several times a day and she loved this.  I will pst a picture of her after her 2ed surgery.  I had to use an old table cloth for a sling to help her the first week while she had the splint on.  Wishing you lots of luck.

    • Gold Top Dog
    And now one of her on the swing in Aug.  Four and half years earlier she couldn't even begin to get on furniture or the swing, etc.