Antioxidents

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    Antioxidents

    I have my dogs on an antioxident that is just grape seed extract. I am changing the antioxident to Cell Advance(ingredients below).  I also want to give my older dog Vetri Science Cardio strenght pills.  She is on Enacard for what the vet said was for fluid in her lungs.  I am thinking that her heart is not pumping the fluid out.  She has been on these pills for about 2 years.  The Cardio Strenght pills sound good for her heart BUT my question is of I give her both the Vetri Science Cell Advance 880 and the Cardio Strength pills, will I be overdosing her on Vitamin E, COQ10, or Selenium (or any other ingedient that are in both pills)
     
    Cell Advance 880
    Each 880 mg capsule contains 2,500 IU Vitamin A, 3,750 IU Beta-Carotene, 250 mg Vitamin C, 75 IU Vitamin E, 2.5 mg Pyridoxal 5-Phosphate, 10 mg Pyridoxine HCl, 18.75 mg Magnesium, 0.5 mg Manganese, 1.25 mg Copper, 7.5 mg Zinc, 0.025 mg Selenium, 0.0125 mg Molybdenum, 25 mg L-Cysteine (Enteric Coated) , 25 mg DL-Methionine (Enteric Coated), 12.5 mg L-Glutathione (Enteric Coated), 12.5 mg L-Lysine HCl, 1,250 Units Super Oxide Dismutase (SOD) (Enteric Coated), 1,250 Units Glutathione Paroxidase (Enteric Coated), 5,000 Units Catalase (Enteric Coated), 2.5 mg Coenzyme Q10.
    As a dietary supplement, give one capsule per 20 lbs. of body weight.

     
     
    Cardio Strength:
    Ingredients: L-Taurine 250 mg, L-Carnitine 250 mg, Dimethylglycine HCI 50 mgs, Eicosapentaenoic Acid (EPA) 25 mg, Vitamin E Supplement ( d-alpha tocopherol) 30 IU, Conzyme Q10 20 mg, Gamma Linolenic Acid 10 mg, Folic Acid 0.9 mg, Magnesium (as Citrate/Malate) 0.5 mg, Potassium (as Citrate/Malate) 0.1.mg, Selenium (as Amino Acid Chelate) 0.007 mg, Rice flour, Vegetable stearate.
    • Gold Top Dog
    First a warning!!!
     
    Off the grape seed extract FAST!!!! NOT a good dog herb (for all the same reasons dogs don't do well with grapes -- it will shut the kidneys down REAL fast -- bad bad stuff for dogs).
     
    There are lots of antioxidants (and you can do a whole lot with food) with stuff like Reishi mushroom and other things.
     
    Selenium and beta carotene kinda scare me -- it's been somewhat linked to cancer but I've got nothing solid on that.
     
    Co Q 10 - you can't overdose it -- my vet tells me to give 2-3 times their body weight 2-4 times a day -- that simply helps get oxygen to the cells.
     
    But honestly I wouldn't do it without the advice of a good holistic vet -- that one has a LOT of minerals in it (copper/zinc, etc.) and at least the zinc level is pretty high for a supplemented level -- minerals aren't water soluable and the body can't get rid of it.  That one would scare me.
     
    Have you considered acupuncture??  That can help the heart in a HUGE way, as can the Chinese herbals.  Can I recommend having your dog evaluated by a tcvm vet?  (Traditional Chinese Veterinary Medicine) -- I had GREAT success with a heart compromised dog -- she'd had heart worm disease literally so badly that she couldn't be treated for it because they'd given her less than a month to live.  We treated her with the 'slow way' (daily meds for a year) and she made an awesome recovery but it left her heart AND lungs severely compromised.
     
    Ms. Socks lived another 6 1/2 years with us beyond her 'death sentence' -- I used a LOT of herbals to help dry up the lungs and help the heart.  She took Lasix and a number of things - both pharmaceutical and herbals.  But to evaluate this dog's specific needs a good holistic vet can set you up with a better program. 
     
    [linkhttp://www.tcvm.com]http://www.tcvm.com[/link] -- they have a locator on the left side -- it was a huge help to her.  She lived to be 17 1/2 -- she wore bitches britches with continence pads in them for years because the heart meds made her leak.  But bless her heart she did SO well.
     
    Aside from lasix and other pharmaceutcials I gave her hawthorn and a number of herbals.  But it's such a delicate balance I'd really rather not just spout herbs at you -- the dog truly needs to be evaluated by a sensible professional.  You can get in a ton of trouble with the wrong blends.  Good to be cautious.
     
    If you can home cook you can do a TON because there are so many foods that are antioxidants (cruciates, bell peppers, greens, all your orange veggies, etc.)
     
     
    I'm always very very cautious about "blends" like that for the exact reasons you are mentioning.  At least the one I can see has A and E balanced (and that's the critical thing with A and E -- they have to be in a proportion so they balance each other.  It's not so much how much you give of one but that the two are balanced).
     
     
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    We are doing Aqua puncture on her.  The vet is injecting B-12 into the pressure point sites.  We have tried the acupunture but this dog has so much hair and is so stressed out with going to the vet that the needles only stay in for a couple of minutes.  She paces and knocks the needles out.  I can't keep her down long enough.
    • Gold Top Dog
    Often if a dog is agitated or 'pace-y' I will lie down on the floor with them and hold them still til the needles can relax them.  And I've also been known to give a bit of valerian root tincture before I go in just to relax them enough to take the edge off.
     
    Going to the vet is a training thing.  You go again and again and AGAIN and ****AGAIN**** ... sometimes you just plain go with treats (a bag for the vet, a bag for the receptionist, a bag for the techs) -- not tons but just as many as the dog can 'have' so these folks can literally just spend a moment or two loving on the dog.
     
    I've never EVER had it fail -- and I've taken dogs in all sorts of shape to the vet - young, old, abused, and 'normal' (whatever the heck THAT is sheesh) -- but by the time I go a few times WITH TREATS so the dog knows this isn't gonna be a bad thing and it balances out what the vet has to do.  It also encourages the folks to spend a little bit of quality time with my dog and it can turn a problem dog into a beloved vet favorite.  (Billy is a prime example.)
     
    If you have this dog who is already in ill health -- do some extra training -- it will benefit you and the dog both.  Drop by the vet when you aren't going to take the dog in -- and just ask if someone (even a tech) can come out to the car and give the dog a treat or two.
     
    MOM?? You mean not *every* time we come here they're not gonna hurt me?  Poke me?  Scare me? And ... I get ... TREATS??
     
    It changes the doggie mind.  And it only takes a couple of times like that and that little bit of conditioning gives them this wild hope that maybe there IS a treat at the end of the deal. 
     
    At this point my Billy is convinced (and this is the dog who spent 3 weeks up in ICU at the University of Florida and has had more blood drawn in the last 6 months than is IN most dog's bodies!) that going to the vet is a freaking play date!!! 
     
    Do the vets mind? NO.  They think it's great that I'm considerate of how my dog relates to them.  The techs think it's awesome that I remember THEM and so do the receptionists.  Try it -- it works.
    • Gold Top Dog
    And btw ... Aqua pressure works great -- my vet does that really often with a 'cocktail' of both B-12 and Traumeel liquid (it's a homeopathic by Heel that is AWESOME). 
     
    Try massage as well.  Can really be helpful.  Try any of Dr. Fox's massage books.