Help! 5 yr old golden with ITP

    • Gold Top Dog

    jeanniemk
    blood makes me nervous since a major GI hemorrhage is what rushed me to the emergency hospital with him when this all started

    A tiny bit of fresh blood isn't tooo bad but if he starts pooping all blood then it's VERY serious.  Try getting creative with the foods you give....if he doesn't like boiled eggs try scrambled eggs, roast beef, steak, liver, beef heart, mashed veggies, etc.  Maybe put the food on a plate and sit at the table to make it look like it's for you...then spoon some to him.

    jeanniemk
    Where can I get a sucralfate? Also worried things are closed today

    Yeah, things may be closed today.  Perhaps call around to see if somehting might be open....drug store?.  If you can find a health store you could pick up some slippery elm to use.  Here's a recipe for the slippery elm cocktail...

    Slippery Elm Cocktail:

    Combine and store in airtight container in the fridge.  Get a couple of those baby medicine syringes and give a full one twice a day about 1/2 hr (if possible) before eating.  Just put the tip of the syringe behind the canine tooth and squirt gently so they can swallow.   
    1 -- half a cup of boiling water.

    2 -- add 1 rounded tsp. of ground slippery elm

    3 -- let cool totally

    4 -- add 1/8 c. + 2 tablespoons of aloe juice

    5 -- add 10 drops of liquid chlorophyll

    6 -- Add 2-3 capsules (open the caps) of acidolpholus

    jeanniemk
    He just went outside and looked so nauseous

    Give him a break with the food for a little while.  Let the stomach and gi track heal some and rest.
    • Bronze
    Thanks for the advice. Pooping straight blood (and lots of it) was what started this all...
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    Johnny&Tessy
    Have them take blood from the jugular next visit.  This usually yeilds higher platelet counts.

    It is true the results are a bit more accurate.  BUT, I strongly caution against having anyone who is not an extremely experienced tech or the vet himself/herself do this.  This is not something just any tech should be attempting.  I

    In fact, it worries me so much I'd probably say not to even go there.

     Willow always enjoyed licking the first or second stage meat baby foods right from the jars.  You could even dunk a milkbone in it!

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    willowchow

    Johnny&Tessy
    Have them take blood from the jugular next visit.  This usually yeilds higher platelet counts.

    It is true the results are a bit more accurate.  BUT, I strongly caution against having anyone who is not an extremely experienced tech or the vet himself/herself do this.  This is not something just any tech should be attempting.  In fact, it worries me so much I'd probably say not to even go there.

    lol...Lori you worry wort!  Wink  I'm the exact same way and agree 100% that if you aren't comfy with the tech doing it then have it taken from the leg.  I get Tessy's taken from the jugular fairly regularly and it doesn't even worry me anymore.  The first few times i was sooo nervous just cause i wasn't use to it.  It does take two people to do ...one to hold and the other to draw the blood.  If it's the doctor doing the draws then there shouldn't be any worries.  This is something you'll have to decide at the vet once you know who's taking the blood.  Are you there with them when they draw it?
    • Bronze
    They took it from his neck once when I was there, but every other time it has been his leg. The last two times he's continued to bleed for a couple minutes. Right now he's been laying by the back door for the past couple of hours and won't take a milkbone and wont take any water. Hoping that changes soon... I just need him to make it to the morning...
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    jeanniemk
    Where can I get a sucralfate?

    Your vet can prescribe that -- also called "carafate".  The difference between Tagamet and Prilosec and Zantac is how long they last in the body -- Tagamet is the shortest duration -- you may need to give that more frequently.

    If I recall correctly, your dog **does** have issues with red blood being destroyed as well, right?  I can't quite remember.

    Nausea is not uncommon as a response to some of these meds but GENERALLY that will eventually subside.  So please don't give up because of something that is likely temporary!  He may be sick today, and it may take him some weeks to get back to feeling really well, but please don't just give up on him.

    You mentioned above about not wanting to "put him through another transfusion" -- DON'T feel that way!!  Transfusions make them feel **almost instantly** better!!  A lot of what can make them lethargic and even queasy IS the low blood (both the red blood cells and the low platelets can do that), and a transfusion can make them feel SO much better! 

    In the early days of IMHA my Billy had SIX transfusions.  It took his body over a month to fully kick in to respond to the immune-suppressors but every time he'd get blood he'd feel GREAT!  So please don't think a transfusion is something horrible for him - it's not!!  They put a catheter in to hook the blood up to and it's very comfortable for him.  So please don't think that's something awful -- it's not!  But with a second transfusion the vet will need to type & cross match the blood if more blood from that same donor isn't available. 

    Feel free to holler if I can help.

    • Bronze
    Emmet had two transfusions a month ago and they absolutely did their job of "buying time" for the drugs to work. And they worked great until now! I'm eager to see what his counts are tomorrow before making any decision. I certainly don't want to think I'm just giving up on him; I never want to feel like any decision I make comes from that place. I have to know that if he tells me it's time, I'll listen and do what's best for him. He's been back on his full dose of meds and then some for a couple days now and is still not right. We'll see what the tests show and if there is something else going on. Originally Emmet was diagnosed with IMHA, but they changed the diagnosis to ITP, deciding that the red blood cell drop was secondary to the platelet destruction.
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    jeanniemk
    He's been back on his full dose of meds and then some for a couple days now and is still not right.

    It will still take *days* for him being on the higher dose for it to be back to full immuno-suppression.   Pred acts quick in the body -- but cyclo does *not*.   

    A couple of days would *not* make an instant difference with cyclo.  And you just started the azathiaprene, right?  That too takes a week or two (at least) to kick in).