Hip Dysphasia and Lyme Disease

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    Hip Dysphasia and Lyme Disease

    Hi, I'm new here. I'm the owner of an 11 year old Shep/Lab named, Sydney. A week ago, she began showing severe lameness in one back leg. I took her into emergency Vet hospital. Her X-rays showed severe hip dysphasia in both hips. Her blood work also found the antibodies for Lyme disease. They prescribed Rimadyl, (which I am not happy about) Tramadol and 10 days on Doxcycline. It has been a very difficult week getting the medications in her. I have tried everything, hiding them in homemade meat balls, hot dogs, Greenies Pill Pockets. When that hasn't worked, I have crushed them up, (they said this was fine to do) and offered them in her favorite wet food. Today nothing has worked and she appears to have less of an appetite from the doxcycline. Pilling her is very hard, she is strong and I'm afraid she's going to choke if I force it. My nerves are shot. This dog means everything to me. Any suggestions on getting the meds in her would be wonderful. Also, any advice on managing the pain aspects with arthritis of this nature would be great too. Thanks :)
    • Gold Top Dog

    If she's already showing antibodies to the Lyme then why have her on doxy?  It *is* the drug of choice but it can be very difficult for some dogs.

    I will have to send you some info from home - do NOT try to "hide" anything.  She'll suspect everything you offer her and eat nothing!  You have to be honest with a dog like this -- trust me, I've been there.  Divorce the meds from her food totally.  Or she'll just not eat.

    I"m at work so I can't do this now -- but I will post stuff later from the big IMHA thread about giving meds.  It works.  But you move the meds to just *before* they eat -- and you SHOW them what you're doing.  Go get some liverwurst this afternoon and when I get home I'll post how I do it.  I'll also email you my contact info -- you CAN do this.  It's work, but it will be worth it.

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    Thanks :) She won't touch liverwurst. She can be very picky. I had to 'pill' her this morning ... It was horrible. You are right, she suspects all her food has meds in it now. But I did get her to eat a little chicken and rice. I am waiting for the vet to call. As far as I understand, the doxcy is treat the Lyme. They did a SNAP blood workup and that's where they found it? Talk to you later .... I'm beside myself.
    • Gold Top Dog

    Then try meat baby food or ricotta cheese.  You want something slippery but not sticky.  cream cheese is sticky -- ricotta isn't. 

     But you also need to teach her to trust you again.  You may want to get a pilling tool from PetSmart or PetCo -- it looks like a long skinny syringe -- you depress the plunger and this claw comes out of the end of it and you insert the pill in it -- then you open their mouth, stick it to the back of her throat and PUSH and it puts it past her tongue. 

     *teaching* a dog to do this is the only way -- cos the ones who make it hard make it impossible otherwise.

    • Gold Top Dog

    Longer term as far as the hips go, sometimes you can get off the meds altogether.  Keep the dog thin/lean (last few ribs are OK, most pet dogs are overweight especially as they age and absolutely the best thing you can do for a dog like this is keep the weight down).  Make sure the dog is on a good diet.  Use joint supplements liberally.  For exercise, use swimming so that the dog can build strength without the pain in the hips. 

    I'm not familiar with dog pain drugs.  Mine was given Deramax for a painful injury, which came in a tablet that he loved to eat, must've been flavored.

    • Gold Top Dog
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    afirefly
    Her blood work also found the antibodies for Lyme disease.

    Treating a dog for Lyme disease (dosage and length of treatment are critical):  http://sites.google.com/site/blackgsd/treatment

    Tick links (includes many for Lyme):  http://saluqi.home.netcom.com/ticklinks.htm

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    Thanks for all the responses. I spoke with the vet that cared for Sydney in emergency. She told me to stop all the meds and see if her eating improves. She suggested for pilling her to put the pill on something soft and place it on the tongue ... Then let Sydney swallow. Because she is fighting so much, I could potentially choke her -- So this is quite a problem. I can give her Pepcid but again it requires pilling her. As far as the Lyme disease, they could not tell if it's something she had in the past and fought off, or current. A test to determine this is another $150 just for the bloodwork. I have to get a handle on the finances first. But Doxcycline is the only medication this vet knew of for Lyme. I don't feel like I have a good handle on this and I'm very worried.
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     I know what you mean about the financial aspect of something like this. I have a 14 year old lab that all of a sudden quit eating and within a couple days could not get up off his mat. My business went under because of the decline of the economy over the past few years and I had to start taking social security way before I planned to so money now is really tight. I called my vet and told him what was going on and he told me to bring him in which I did. Fifteen minutes later half my social security check for the month was gone. He tested positive for Lyme and also possibly heart worms. My dogs all have been on Heartguard and Frontline accept in the coldest part of the winter about 3 months of the year.

    The vet gave him Doxycline and Prednisone and after several days he started showing signs of some improvement. I mean he started to act like he wanted to get up and move around some. He was still very weak and acted like he still had a lot of pain in his hips and back but each day he seemed to get a little better.

    I have never had much trouble pilling him or any other dog for that matter I just try and forget about how bad it seems for them and look at it as how bad it could be if he didn't get his medication. Sometimes handling stubborn dogs or any animal may seem cruel to some but is a necessary part of keeping them safe. Most times it is harder on you than it is the dog because they can sense your emotions or fears before you even try to do what ever it is you are about to do. The more you mess around and try to convince the animal to take his meds the more stress they will sense in you and all kinds of bells and whistles go off in his head that something just ain't right.

    I wrote the last little bit in just to prepare you for how I had to get Boomer to start eating through all of this. When he first started going downhill I thought he had been poisoned or had eaten some bad food because I had just opened a new bag of dog food and neither of my dogs seemed to want to eat it. Same food, bought at the same place, and they in the past never seemed to have a problem eating it but both would just turn their noes up at it and walk away. It was really hot outside and they don't seem to want as much to eat when the temps are high so I just figured it was normal. A day or two turned into a week so I dumped the suspected food and went to another place and bought another bag with the same results only the little dog would eat this food if it was mixed with table scraps or canned food. Boomer would not eat anything but he would drink water.....lots of water. I knew I had to get food in him or he would waste away to nothing as he had already lost 20 pounds or more and started look like some street roamer. I tried everything, raw meat, canned food.....every brand imaginable, I even went to the store and bought chicken breast and cooked it for him but he would not eat and he became so weak I thought it would be best to just take him in to be put down.

    Finally I went out to the garage where I had been keeping him because it is cooler because it has some AC in there and I felt like Matt Dillion getting ready for a big shoot out with some bad guys that had just molested Miss Kitty and I said as I walked through the door....This is your lucky day Boomer, it is the first day of the rest of your life so let's make it a good one. I was armed with two cans of chicken and rice country delight I had just gotten at Pet Smart and I told Boomer, It's me and you buddy, one of us is about to pig out. I opened both cans before I went through the door and threw the lids away and me being the tight wad I am had already decided none of it was going to waste. Well, I was wearing some of it by the time I finished stuffing the second can of food forcefully down his throat and he looked like he was wearing a chicken stew bandana but most of it went in where it belonged. This also made the little dog happy because she got to show her affection  by cleaning up all the left overs off me and her buddy Boomer. I had to go through this for several days until the medications really started to kick in to where he would finally eat on his own.Once he finally finished his medications he did fine for about two weeks but started the same thing only this time he could not get up at all. He had gone outside to go to the bathroom and just fell over and could not move and when I found him I carried him back inside and called the vet but in talking to him I knew I could not afford to take him. He told me that this is the way lyme disease works, there are good days and there are bad ones.

    After a couple days he perked back up not to his normal old way of doing things but he could get up to go do his business outside and not just go where he was laying and have to stay that way until I came to clean the old boy up. This has been really hard for me, seeing my friend go down this way and not being able to afford to get him to the vet like I need to but he, like I am a victim of bad timing and a really stinky economy and there is really nothing much we can do but just enjoy the good days we have and provide what ever care we can give up on the bad. It's sad too because old Boomer has always been there for me when I was down, eager to do whatever necessary to cheer me up and even when I was sometimes mean to him or fussing at him for being in the way, he would always greet me when I got home with a big ol smile on his face and a wag of a tail. As bad as he must have been feeling through all of this he lost a little of the smile but he was wagging that big ol' tail the whole time and that's is how I knew he still had the will to fight and still had a few more smiles left to share.

     

    • Gold Top Dog

    dude, I'm sorry you and your old Lab are going through such tough times.  I'm glad to hear he's still wagging that tail.  This is a link to some info about help with veterinary costs.  In these times, you aren't alone having trouble paying for even routine care.  Scroll all the way down the page because there are a lot of different sites and organizations.  I know it's hard to ask for help but I wouldn't hesitate to swallow my pride and do that if I was in that position.  Good thought for you old boy.  Give him some scritches from a lab lover.

    http://www.humanesociety.org/animals/resources/tips/trouble_affording_veterinary_care.html

    There are other organizations out there besides these but I can't seem to find my list of names.  Getting older here too. :)

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    Thanks for the kind words and I’ll relay your thoughts to Boomer. Yes I had thought about calling one of these places that offer help but I just haven’t been able to bring myself to do it just yet. He seems to be doing alright for the past week or so and he has a good appetite. He is still slow to get up but he can get up and go outside on his own and has started to make it down to the barn where I am building to supervise the job and bring me pieces of cut off wood and pile it up where I can trip over it. His is a tough job but somebody has to do it and it keeps me on my toes and it helps being under his watchful eye and knowing no bad guy in his right mind would try and sneak up on me with him and his buddy Joy on the job.

     

    Is it me or is there something happened in the past 10 or 15 years that has brought on all these new and crazy diseases we now see popping up all over the place? I have owned hundreds of dogs and cats too over the years and have never seen anything like this before. I know, I know, guys that are hunters and dog owners are not supposed to like cats but I have always had a cat or two or 20 even at times around the barn to keep the mice down. Most people dog owners anyway don’t understand cats because where your dog is always under your feet begging for your attention most cats on the other hand is content just laying in some out of the way place teasing you until they are ready to be petted or loved on…..kind of like some women I have known.LOL

     

    Anyway, back to my thoughts about strange differences in things that can happen now that you didn’t see a few years ago. I was the hunt master at a small deer and duck hunting club for years and I kept 40 deer dogs in a kennel at my home for most of the year until just before the season started where we would transfer then to hunt club land for the hunting season in a pen just like the one I had at home. It was a 75’ sq pen with no dividers and a dirt floor with sawdust spread on the floor. There was no concrete floors with separate stalls for each dog, no septic system, no fancy watering system, just an automatic feeder in the middle that was filled with what ever the cheapest feed we could find at the time that had a high protein rating on the bag. The dogs were all healthy, a little fat even, that is a month before hunting season but by the time the first week was over they had trimmed down to their normal sexy figure and could run for days on end without getting tired. Other than sore feet and having to patch one or two up now and then that had had gotten cuts from barbed wire or some other sharp object they got too close to they all did fine and lived long happy lives. The biggest danger then was getting hit by a car or being stolen by other hunters and used for the rest of the season then turned loose to fend for themselves. I once found a dog that had been missing for 4 years in the same spot where I lost her after she had been stolen and sold to some people in North Carolina; we were hunting in central Va. It took her a long time to get home but she made her way all the way back to where we had let her out of the box 4 years earlier.

     

    I never lost but one dog to something that I never could figure out what happened but I still suspect poison was the cause. She was just dead in the pen one morning after she had been lost for a week after chasing a big buck across the river and into another county. Now dogs are dying from all sorts of crazy diseases that we never thought existed 25 years ago. Cancer, lyme disease, heart worms, and other things that you just didn’t run into then and for the most part the only time a dog saw a vet was every three years when they needed a rabies shot and only then because they had to have it because it was a law. I didn’t even know what a heart worm pill or Frontline was until I bought Boomer and the breeder told me here are your papers along with a report of all his shot records for your new dog and there was a 3 month supply of Frontline and Heartguard in the packet with his papers. The sad thing is with all the dogs I have owned over my lifetime Boomer and Joy are the only two dogs that I have ever put frontline and Heartguard on and Boomer now test positive for both lyme and Heartworms and the little dog which is a beagle test positive for heartworms. It all seems a little strange to me.

    • Gold Top Dog

    WHIPPED cream cheese works really well for pills.  I just give Willow a big spoonful without the pill first and then she readily takes the next one with the pill. 

    Willow has had Lyme and another tick disease called Anaplasmosis so I've been there. 

    Lori

    • Puppy

    Keep watch on your dog's achy joints if they have lyme disease. I would refer to this link to ensure your dog is comfortable!

     

    Hope this helps!

     

     

    http://ezinearticles.com/?So-Your-Dog-Has-Arthritis&id=6280701

     

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     I never had trouble giving Boomer a pill but now that I'm giving him several a day I found that taking a piece of sliced kraft singles and cutting it in half and then putting the pills on one half and laying the other half on top and then pop in the microwave for about 6 seconds just enough to start to melt and then roll it in a nice ball he swallows the whole thing like it's nothing.

     How long did it take your dog to recover from the lyme and how many trips did it take to the vet? Boomer already had problems from a accident he had with a Bronco that he should never have survived from. That ordeal cost me over $3000.00 before it was over and he still had nerve damage in his front left leg. I knew once he got older he would have problems from those injuries but besides the limp he got around good and it never did slow him down in the water. The lyme seems to be effecting his back end more and is the reason a couple times he could not even get up or sit. In fact when he has one of his bad days I have to hand feed him because he doesn't seem to want to even hold his head up.

     Now I feel bad because it seems I have hyjacked the OP's thread. I didn't mean it to work out this way so please forgive me.

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     Thanks for the link.