How many has she had?  Nikon had three sets of "puppy shots" and then his rabies shot at 4 months.  His first shot was at 7 weeks when I got him, then we went back two more times (I think 2-3 weeks apart?) for the boosters, and then later for the rabies.

 So far just that one 6-1 shot. she said she got it from tractor supply, so it can be this one....

Durvet® Canine Spectra 5™ is a combination of immunogenic, attenuated strains of Canine Distemper, Canine Adenovirus Type 2 (CAV-2), Canine Parainfluenza, and Canine Parvovirus Type 2b, propagated in cell line tissue cultures. The CAV-2 fraction cross-protects against respiratory infection caused by infectious canine hepatitis (CAV-1).

 or this one

Canine spectra 7 is an economical annual booster offering 7-way protection against canine distemper, adenovirus Type 2, hepatitis, parainfluenza, parvovirus, leptospira can. and leptospira ict

figures that there isn't one thats marked '6 in 1' lol.

How old is Zoey?  You think this is the ONLY vaccine she has every gotten?  If so...she needs more.

She needs her first distemper and parvo shot and then at least 2 if not 3 boosters after that. She needs those boosters probably within 5 to 6 weeks of the last.  Then at year one she needs her one year booster. THATS for distemper and parvo.  If you think she only got one vaccine, she needs the others. If she got one vaccine and it was more than 6 weeks ago....she needs to start all over.  

If your not sure....start all over.

I did not get all the others for Gibson when he was young. His breeder started him with the first 2 vaccines...I got him the next two.....then at one year he got his other.  I did not get the lepto and all of those because I elected to NOT. I also elected to not get his first rabies until he was 7 months old.

 as far as I know that's all she got. shes estimated to be 12-14 weeks old, the people thought she was about 10 weeks when they found her ( curled up in the roadway all by herself) so I think it would be safe to assume that she had no shots prior to her previous owners - obviously someone didn't want her - therefore she probably didn't have any vaccinations.

akyramoto82

so I think it would be safe to assume that she had no shots prior to her previous owners - obviously someone didn't want her - therefore she probably didn't have any vaccinations.

Yes..I think thats about right..poor thing. Well she has YOU who saved her...and I would pretend she had NONE and get her started all over.  We did that all the time for all the dogs that the owners were not sure of.   You know...I can't tell you how many people a week would say " the lady that had her said she gave her her first vaccine but she can't find the paper!"  I'll bet!

Good luck with her....so nice of you to take care of her.

The last vaccination for parvo should be between 14 and 16 weeks of age, so she would need another vaccination.  Even if she was older, I would still get another because the quality of some vaccines being sold at feedstores is sub-standard.  I don't recognize the brand name on either of those you mentioned.  Prior to 1995, tests showed that most brands of parvo vaccine were not that effective.  The major brands increased the amount of antigen by a factor of 100, and are refered to as "high-titer" vaccines. The old vaccines are still being sold at feed stores. I would never use a parvo vaccine unless I knew it was high-titer. 

That information is from this website http://www.newvaccinationprotocols.com/index.htm  You have to go forward through until about the seventh page.

It's not true that they need the whole series of vaccines.  If a puppy is 14-16 weeks old and has not had any vaccinations, then they will only need the one to develop immunity to parvo and distemper. Here's the reason we give a series of shots to younger puppies. Puppies get maternal antibodies when they nurse and get colostrum in the first days of life. That protection gradually drops off, and we aren't sure exactly when for each individual puppy. If the puppy has too much maternal antibodies then the vaccination will be neutralized. Once the maternal protection drops far enough, then a vaccination will stimulate the puppy's own immune system to create their own antibodies. Then the puppy will have long lasting immunity to parvo.

Some puppies respond to a vaccination at 8 or 9 weeks of age. More will respond at 12 weeks. A tiny percentage won't be able to develop immunity until 14-16 weeks.  We don't want to wait until 16 weeks to vaccinate puppies, because most of them will be vulnerable to parvo for too long a time. It only takes one vaccination, but we give a series because we aren't sure exactly when each pup should get it.

There is at least one vaccine that needs to be given in a series of two, a certain amount of time apart. Lepto maybe? I'm not sure because where I live we don't vaccinate against lepto or lyme.

akyramoto82

 as far as I know that's all she got. shes estimated to be 12-14 weeks old, the people thought she was about 10 weeks when they found her ( curled up in the roadway all by herself) so I think it would be safe to assume that she had no shots prior to her previous owners - obviously someone didn't want her - therefore she probably didn't have any vaccinations.

Not sure what sort of answer you're looking for, but I'll try to explain further.  It would help you to look at the links I posted in your other post.  There is some differing "medical opinion" about vaccines -- but at this point even the AAHA (American Animal Hospital Assn) is recommending ONLY one rabies every 3 years, and they have divided vax into "core, non-core, and not recommended".  The 6 in 1 shot contains non-core vaccines.  It's also a "killed" vaccine which means it doesn't help the body manufacture **lasting** immunity.

 If you want to wade thru all 26 pages of the AAHA vaccine guidelines (and they are very GOOD) you can go here:  AAHA Vax link

 See for years people were told to get "annual vaccines".  They now recognize (and the AAHA is among one of the strongest supporters of this) that vaccinating every year is causing more problens -- things like cancer and auto-immune diseases.

But puppy vaccines and vax for ADULT dogs are different.  The *timing* of puppy vaccines is probably the biggest puzzle of all. 

See -- when pups are small they are pretty defenseless.  Puppies are born SO young they can't even see nor hear (which is why the eyes don't even OPEN until they are about 3 weeks old).  So there's a period of time when they get a certain immunity passed on from the mother dog. (called "maternal antibodies";).  And just because a dog got a "rough start" -- that doesn't make that bad.  Because often the dogs in the roughest circumstances may actually be the strongest. 

The fact that this pup wasn't vaccinated **at all** until it was 10 - 11 weeks old is actually a GOOD thing.  That means that first set of shots likely did more good than they might have weeks earlier.

However -- at this point you want a second set of shots (usually called "booster" shots) that will cement that immunity and make it stronger.  But -- give it some time!!!!!

If I were you, I'd follow Dr. Dodds recommendations.  Since the first shots were given about 11 weeks -- this is her table:

Now -- notice the third set is OPTIONAL.  And if you boost with the modified live Distemper/Parvo/Adenovirus (usually called the "Core Vaccines";) you honestly probably don't need the 16 week shots **because** your pup was older when it was first vax'd.  If you want to email Dr. Dodds yourself, PM me -- I've got her email and she's **awesome** to work with owners.  A nicer lady to work with I've never known -- she won't make you feel stupid -- she'll just answer your questions.

But notice what she says about rabies.  Don't do it until 20 weeks if you possibly can -- find out what you STATE requires. 

Why?  Because of ALL vaccines rabies is THE hardest on the dog.  Rabies shots cause MORE adverse reactions -- (you might even want to read Kris Christine's recent posts and what an owner who recently lost their dog on here and the possibility that his nerve sheath tumor was related to a rabies vax).  By 20 weeks the dog is more able to **process** the vaccine.  The body is mature enough to handle it.  Then booster it at 1 year and from there on only do the 3 year rabies as required by law.

Florida has a HUGE rabies problem among wildlife.  It's estimated that 85% or *more* of all raccoons are carrying rabies.  Think bout that -- it's a HUGE scarey statistic. I have a very similar concern -- SO ....  I'm not telling you that you're crazy -- I'm just urging caution.  I know you live in a rural area -- but evaluate your risk carefully - you aren't leaving this dog outside ALONE and unattended, right??  You don't want to set yourself up for problems later by vax'ing too young.  Does that make sense? 

In other words -- don't be ruled by fear ... but logically decide what is really the biggest risk. 

Immunity "builds" -- it's not instant.  The vaccine is actually disease cells that are transmitted into the body via a 'carrier' solution.  The body encounters these and reacts to them.  Those reactions form things called 'anti-bodies' -- part of the blood that fights disease.

So -- part of Dr. Dodds schedule is designed to wait at least FOUR weeks after the last shots at least -- so the body has had time to develop that immunity and **recover** from it. 

Remember -- 12 - 16 weeks is a tough time for a puppy.  BIG GROWTH and **BIGGER TEETHING**.  Think about human babies -- when is it easiest for them to get sick?  When they teethe!!  Because teething is a stressor on the body and immune system and they get a bit run down just coping with that growth. 

So even if the initial sets of shots was at 11 weeks.  I'd honestly wait the four weeks she recommends between the first and second set of shots.  That allows that first set to maximize and then the second set ALSO to maximize before you get the rabies shot.  If you have to press the rabies a week or two early fine ... but don't do it any earlier than you absolutely must to satisfy your state.

Your pup is a cattle dog isn't it??  Cattle dogs can be prone to some stuff like demodex (which is immune related) and you overall will maximize the pup's health taking it a bit easy on vaccines. 

You are honestly ***better off*** than most puppy owners whose dogs may have been vax'd too early.  The fact that your pup didn't get vax'd until 11 weeks honestly gives you a good start.  The risk of the first vax not taking because of maternal antibody resistance is pretty well nil.  And cementing it with a round of modified live core vaccines should solidify that.

Your vet may or may not still use the old killed vaccine combo shot.  A lot of vets have relied on them for years to try to control "seeing the dog every year".  But honestly?  We ought to ALL be taking our dogs in at least once a year ***ANYWAY***.  A vet shouldn't need to over vax the dog to ensure the dog's health.

But ask your vet -- tell them you'd rather follow the AAHA vax protocol and use the modified live core vaccines -- and I can tell you that most vets are not going to argue that with you.  Most of them will be pretty impressed that you know the difference between a killed and modified live vaccine. 

The whole point for vaccinating THREE times was simply as a fail safe **in case** that first set didn't take at all!!!  If the pup is vax'd too early and the vaccine doesn't form ANY immunity then the 2d and 3rd are simply to provide a safety net.  In your case, your dog wasn't vax'd too early.  That's a good thing.

I have tried not to be confusing -- and what I'm saying is NOT "holistic mumbo jumbo".  Dr. Dodd's is nationally (actually INTER-nationally known) and she teaches at vet schools all over the United States.  Most any vet knows exactly who she is and she has a super good reputation.  But beyond that your vet likely will automatically subscribe to the AAHA protocols (which are darned similar).  And the above info should give you what you need to get your vaccines.

It's not a matter of "re-doing" that vaccine.  It's a matter of building immunity and generally it takes TWO sets of shots to do that completely.

I realize you need rabies to license -- but typically it's better to do that at 20 weeks -- again simply because the body needs a certain level of maturity to process such a harsh vaccine.  That part of it is the big deal.  Generally you simply have to have them licensed after a year old.  A lot of vets won't DO rabies until at least 6 months old -- waiting for 20 weeks is NOT unusual.

The spay can be done at any time (altho some vets might tie that to vaccines -- that they have to complete their vax in order to spay or something -- most vets don't, but *also* for what its worth, most vets won't spay a completely un-vax'd animal either. 

Also remember -- when you call and talk to a receptionist -- they may or may not be fully aware of what the vet can and can not do (and what simply may be the vet's general or usual choice).  But don't give vaccines AND spay at the same time.  Don't give the core vaccines AND rabies at the same time.  It's **too hard** on the immune system.  In the long run, it's better to do things a bit at a time. 

Does that make sense?