Advice - UPDATE!

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    Advice - UPDATE!

     Heya guys --

    OK, I just need to hear that I'm making the right call.... or telling me I'm not, if you think I am not.

    I just got confirmation Belle is mine if I want her.  Completely signed off, in MY name only. (She's sending the paperwork to the other co-owner first, cause she's the headache).  She's 4 yrs old... good with small dogs (the owner breeds bichons) and already has her Ch and JH (Junior Hunter).  I've been told by 2 people she's Top 10 material.  

    My reservations are... I think just cold feet.  You know that OMG!! THINGS ARE GOING TO CHANGE!-thing. Like this morning I was wondering what it'd be like if she were here, would I have my special Nik and Lo time? The dynamic will change... what if they don't get along!?  AHhhhh! LOL Overall, I'm very excited about it. I've even been shopping on craiglist for a "dog car" so that I can put crates in it and not have to constantly clean my work-car out.  I've also been thinking about how to introduce them, and was daydreaming about this summer and long hikes with my weims and Nik.

    Here's a picture of her winning one of her 5 point majors, she also won her futurity and would have probably one her maturity IF she hadn't been held out (nightmare co-owner) for a bogus reason. 

    Sorry for the long winded post... I just need to vent out how I'm feeling.  I'm alread feeling better.  But, this is good, right?  LOL  HELP!!

    [IMG]http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd299/BEANSnBERRY/Belles1stMajorWinwDavidDallas-21mos.jpg[/IMG]

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    yes I would say it was good. Just remember that she has tops...2 litters in her before she'd be what I consider past breeding age...if she's 4 now. You will then have a retired matron AND whomever you decide to keep out of those litters....if you have them...that is potentially a 4 dog household plus your wee one.

    Not sure what your set up is...but just wanted to throw that out there.

    Is the bitch proven in the box? Be a shame to get her and her not be able to successfully give you something to continue on with.

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     Right.  Good points.

     She is not proven, no. And that is a concern.  But, on the positive 3 of her sisters have been bred (Logan is her nephew, his mom is a full sister from a previous breeding) and they've produced beautifully.  If she does not produce I'd take a puppy from another litter and have her spayed. But, I'm hopeful she is able to, she's quite the little mama (the owner breeds bichons and apparently she's much like Cleo from what she describes).  I have 1 of the 2 studs picked out and cleared by the Breeder (the reason is I thought it was going to need to be made contractual.... I thought they wanted a breeding before they signed off, so I had picked a stud and if they didn't agree I'd have told them 'no dice.'.)  this breeding would not be a one I'd keep from, as the one I want is frozen semen only, but before all that expense I'd want to verify she's fertile and I have two homes already for the first breeding, one is a great show home, too!  I'd keep a pup from the second litter and get some space between the dogs she'd be 5-6 Logan would be 3-4.... and hopefully I'd be in a bigger house :) This is me thinking with my head though... i'm sure it'll hit like a ton of lead when I have to let those babies go!! I hear the first time you always cry like a baby.  Good grief.... i hope I'm made of the stuff to do this! LOL

    Anyway, I'd be putting her in Nationals this year which is in May.  I've been considering what to do when she's in heat and I think I'd put her with my Handler and have her shown.  Logan is probably "better", but it's negligible as he's also younger (I was waiting til 2010 to really start him) ... so she'd go with a handler, unless she's to be bred, of course. Next year he would.  

    My set up isn't ideal :)  But, the gal I'm renting from lived here with 3 weims and she had 4 litters in this house... she's told me repeatedly what a great "puppy house" it is. she lives about a mile from me and is a very good friend and reputable breeder, she'd be here to help. She knows my plans and is very supportive... it doesn't hurt that I'm a very responsible tenant/person, she knows if there is damage I'll step up to the plate. 

    I'm so anxious about this. ... I'd really given up hope.  I hadn't heard a peep (for a month!!) and so I had assumed it had been called off, then out of NO WHERE I get two emails asking me about the 20th with flight information!  I was a little shocked.  She just emailed to say she has her Health Cert vet appt scheduled!  

    It would be very devistating if she couldn't produce... but, I keep telling myself I could raise a pup from 8 weeks and have no guaranty of that.  She's at least gorgeous.... which is something I couldn't predict if she were 8 weeks old.  Acceptable risk, I guess.  I'm just so excited and completely overwhelmed and nervous at the same time.

    I wish there were some way to KNOW i was making the right choice.

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    If you want to breed her bear in mind, bitches that are specialed or shown tend to have problems getting and staying, pregnant. There is stress involved with the travel and exposure to various things at venues, and it is more so on a bitch. Many people have campaigned a bitch to 3 or 4 only to find out she cannot produce...

    So bearing all that in mind it sounds like a good deal...just make sure you REALLY like her and will be compensated in some way if she cannot produce for you. Just like buying a stud dog for the purpose of breeding I would want some sort of  full motility screen done beforehand....you obviously cannot do that in a bitch...so just kinda play thru what occurs and what is lost money and time wise, if you are okay with that...then I see no reason not to continue forward.

    Your concerns with multiple dogs and the dynamic would need to be faced at some point regardless...so that's just going to have to be something you'll face and triumph over Wink

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     Thank you Gina.  You are right.... the dynamic is the scariest thing of all, I feel.  But, if she's half as wonderful with my small dog as she is with hers.... then we have a winner.  That's my biggest concern.

     Well, I'll tell ya.  She's the price of an airline ticket from Houston to Seattle. .... that's it.  They are placing her with me knowing she's in a show/performance home, as the co-owners cannot get along and decide on ANYTHING and the owner has really gotten out of weims and is very into bichons now. She was about to offer the bitch back to the co-owner who would have bred her a few times then placed her.  When the owner told the Breeder, the breeder stepped in and said if it were agreed upon by the co-owner could SHE take her back and place her with me. ... so, that's how this happened. That's also why I thought there'd be a breeding or at the least puppy back-thing.  But apparently... not even that, as far as I'm understanding (though I just sent an email and asked if that was truly the understanding in a very blunt way. I'd rather find out now, than later, that was a missunderstanding!) 

    So, here we are.  She'd be in season in May.  That's nationals I would not breed her then.  Poor girl would only have just arrived, too! I would never do that  to her.  So, she'd be back in in the fall sometime.  Depending on how she's adjusting, I'd probably breed her then... or in the spring.  If she's being bred I will send Logan with the handler for some shows and keep her home to be bred.  The dog I've picked is in Northern Cali so it's not terribly far. I'd drive her down with Nik.

    I can't believe I may be a 2 weim home soon!!!  I just sent off my reply .... so, let's see what she says! :)

    THANK YOU A MILLION TIMES OVER FOR KEEPING ME SANE.  I was just about to burst this morning! LOL

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    very happy for you. This gal is getting a wonderful home...and that is what is most important! What is her name BTW did I miss it?

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     Thank you -- OK. I feel so much better, I know you'd be honest with me if it was a hair brained scheme and slapped me back into place :)  Which I TRULY believe is necessary!  Some people may not like it, me I'd rather have you do it and me escape a miserable situation!

    Her name is Belle, Ch Waltz Song Of The South JH 

    Not my style, at all.  LOL But, she's beautiful and I truly hope to get a gorgeous baby from her... and will then be able to breed to Logan to further my line.  Oh! I've picked my kennel name, too!  It's Highpoint.  Highpiont Weimaraners, keeps with the mountain theme I had started.

    THANK YOU AGAIN!  I am hoping to get new pictures from the owner... and I'll intro her, to the forum, when she arrives, apparently on the 20th.  

    OMG. That's like 2 weeks away!

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    • Gold Top Dog

     I don't have any advice but good luck!  Looking forward to the pics LOL

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     Thank you Karen... pictures are something i will provide a lot of.  Two weims and a Nik, i've already invisioned my new signature.  I hope it all works out!!

     I'm past nervous about it working out, and back to nervous it may not! LOL

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    Belle's flight has been booked, she arrives a week from Friday on the 20th -- I'm gonna go girl-dog shopping!! :)

    I hope she fits right in.... i'm so nervous and excited at the same time!!

    Thanks again!!

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    • Gold Top Dog

     congrats!!! and good luck I'm sure it will go well!