The meaning of arrogance

   Greeting Ms Arrogant, nice to meet you!  I am often called Condescending, you can refer to me by that, or Mr. Con for short.  I tell it like it is as well, try to be tactful at times, I guess that often doesn't work.  My last vacation was gutting the bathroom, down to studs, while the wife & kids were in Arizona & Vegas for a week. Afflent/rich?  No, 30 years running a printing press doesn't make for yachts  & mansions, but we have enoght to fully enjoy life.

  I figure if someone doesn't like what comes out of my mouth, or the way it sounds they can close their ears.  I'm pushing 50, have survived medical situations & car accidents & such that have killed other people, so I must half know what I'm talking about.  If someone doesn't lke what I say don't listen, your loss. 

OH GOOD GRIEF!

Let's look at my original statement, "I also think, with a few exceptions, that it is arrogance on the humans part to think that a dog will pine away for you. Certainly there are cases, aggressive dogs in particular, where the dog is better off with the owner but, in general, dogs are resilient. I also think it is arrogance to say as one person did, “I will never be in this kind of situation”. No one can make that kind of assertion."

ar·ro·gant   /ˈærəgənt/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[ar-uh-guhnt] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation –adjective

1.	making claims or pretensions to superior importance or rights;

Yep, seems to fit. 

You're being oversensitive. I don't know if you're arrogant but I know that the *statement* seemed arrogant. Making that kind of blanket statement shows a type of "it can never happen to me" mentality. It CAN happen to you, or to anyone.

Why did you start this thread? PM me if you have a problem with something I say - or address it on the same thread.

I`m sorry that statement was a fact a true fact and there was not any arrogance in my statement but a pure true fact. You put the arrogance title on it.

Do you think I think that I`m better than anyone on this forum or on this earth  NO. There are so many people that I look up to on this forum and on this earth I could not even start to list them as there are so many.

If you want to take to to a PM I`m there. If you want to come say with us for awhile to prove my point we could do that too.

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Thanks! 

It's extremely unlikely to ever happen to me as well. My mother had not only my dog but my rabbit and wild hare for the last 2 years, and she's threatened to take Penny back if Pen doesn't like the new puppy. It's real nice to know that as long as she is around, we'd be right. Having said that, I kept Penny and myself and my hare going while still keeping a roof over our heads for several months when I was out of work one time. As much as I loathe our social security department, they generally give you enough money to support yourself and pay the rent and bills. Not much more, and it doesn't help people with extra expenses in life (like a car, or a drug habit for example), though, but enough to keep me out of trouble as long as I'm healthy.

When all is said and done, no one has the right to judge another person. We don't know why they make the choices they do. A lot of people have judged me as cruel in the past because my wild hare lives in a cage, but they don't know that I love him too much to ever be able to keep him in conditions that made him unhappy. I nearly let him go free once because I thought it might be better for him. I know how easy it is to make those decisions when love guides you, so I don't let it bother me and I don't judge others.  

Totally OT - are those antlers on your terrier?

I think everyone should sit back and take a deep breath.  Then I would like to point out even the most blessed of us can not , I repeat CAN NOT be sure that blessings last forever.

Hurricane Katrina's effect on New Orleans was obvious to everyone..... but may I mention the smaller towns Gulfport and the like. People not rich but comfortably ensconced in a life where they had lived for generations.  Family all about them , jobs , business they knew if times were tough between family and church they would get by and some one would be there to help.  It took wild winds and crashing water to change forever a town that may never recover. more than 1/2 the population has left and gone elsewhere hoping to start again, people were still in Fema trailers until very recently when the trailers were discovered to be hazzardous as well! 

Okay I can "hear" the arguement that if you live in Hurricane Alley you take this risk.   What about the California Wildfires?  Let's toss in two plants that have been in operation in Alabama since 1938 who are now being closed because the work can be done much cheaper in another country , that's over 300 families that will have no income, they won't be able to hire a guy to cut their grass, or another to babysit it affects everyone and in a small town people who felt secure, who felt as if , while not rich they were at least safe these are people who will now be struggling to buy a paper let alone pay a paper boy. We had a very comfortable lifestyle, there was no reason to expect the company my husband had worked for for nearly 30 years to "downsize" him 4 months shy of his right to retire. He went from a triple degree engineer to working a wal mart.  For some reason small towns don't seem to have an abundance of jobs for guys in their 60s at the rate of pay they had earned from decades of truly great work. Throw in a horrific accident and we were lucky to keep the house, let alone be able to continue to care for the kids and our pack.

A Senior Senator who has survived everything with his family who now has Brain Cancer, Okalahoma City,  The Twin Towers..... gosh I can go on but my point is made. Not ONE person in the entire world is impervious to the possibility of disaster changing the world they know today and creating an entirely new set of circumstances to deal with and live on.

It may not be Arrogant to think yourself  safe, possibly just blessedly naive.  No one is saying that the efforts you have put into your life  were without hard work and value.  But again to assume that a problem may happen only to you and to no one else there by not truly affecting you is not realistic.  What if the very people that you mention being able to step up and assist you if trouble happened in your life had the tragedy and YOU end up caring for an extended portion of your family and friends. Adjustments may have to be made in every one's life one day.

None of us can see the future.... we can plan the best we can and work hard but not one of us is able to truly see the world as it will be in ten minutes from now let alone ten years.

Just some thing to consider,

Bonita of Bwana

Paws for Peace

None of us can see the future.... we can plan the best we can and work hard but not one of us is able to truly see the world as it will be in ten minutes from now let alone ten years.

So true.  But, I also think that we often know ourselves better than others do.  And, I know that some people would certainly cave in to the more expedient or "sensible" solutions to a problem than others.  Some of us, who may seem arrogant to others, would be lunging, kicking and screaming, with dogs in tow, to our cars...  That isn't so much arrogant as it is just a love of our animals that is, perhaps, more intense than others realize, and so we don't fit the norm.  How many of the mothers and fathers among us could imagine giving up a child just to get a low income apartment???  We all know that people with children end up in these situations, too.  More's the pity that we don't do more as a society to help them, or the pet owners in their cars either.

I'll tell you a little story.  In my day job, I run a program that helps elders try to keep their pets.  I had a client who placed herself in this position.  At the time, she was 58, lost her apartment, was living on disability payments, and had two small dogs.  A social worker had suggested public housing, but she was told that she had to give up one of the dogs.  Nope.  She refused, even though it was pretty close to November (in New England). Next thing I know, someone is calling me asking what I can do for her.  The only thing I could think of was to have her apply for Section 8 (long wait lists).  Well, someone pulled a string or two, given that she was going to be in danger of freezing soon, and she got the voucher.  At that point, I told her not to bother going to tons of apartments and be told "no dogs".  I got her to advertise in the apartments wanted section of the newspaper.  Lo and behold, the ad was answered by a woman who needed a tenant and had a dog of the same breed as my client.  But, the story doesn't end there.  This woman is affected by several disorders for which she might be entitled to a service dog.  So, she trained her dogs until they got their CGC's, then she trained both of them to do tasks for her to make life easier.  She identified them as service dogs, and now, although some people think she's just nuts, she actually goes around to various organizations and speaks to people about disabilities, especially "invisible disabilities".  She has made an impact on her community, has saved her dogs and trained them for a higher use, and is living with dignity - not to mention with memberships in various mental health and disability advocacy groups.  She finally got public housing - with both dogs and a letter from the local housing authority giving her permission to have them due to their service dog status.  (Yup, one for each disability - unconventional, sure - but she is legitimately disabled, and I can vouch for the fact that, without them, her life would be severely diminished.)

It really is all about the lengths to which we are willing and able to go.  This woman could have been called arrogant, and I'm sure she was.  But, really, she was just unable to part with her family, and willing to put her life on the line.  Miracles happen. 

I do not disagree, and I believe miracles happen.  We were discussing the meaning of Arrogance,  Not the depths of human spirit.  After the hurricane I drove through the streets of Gulfport, there is a snap of the town close to the shelter where I picked up two RRs surrendered by their owners as they ran from the storm.  The dogs, one very pregnant and the other an injured older boy who put his body between the girl and the hole in the outer wall where the winds and debris flew battering the flooding shelter.  The owners dropping dogs off as the strom came ever closer would have one of a few attitudes.  They would be back they promised, as soon as the hurricane had passed.... Or they simply had no way to take the dogs, shelters would not accept pets, Others just claimed they knew they were going to struggle to get gas and feed the kids , the dogs just could not be part of the pain that the community knew was comming.  The Shelter was filled beyond capacity.  dogs were being euthanized based on doezens of reasons , none of which were easily chosen.  I was notified about the two RRs and when a call was finally able to get through promised them I would be there the same day.  I lived about 3 hours away , but still on the coast, I had no power for almost 2 weeks, tress were down every where , fences flattened. I already had 5 dogs I did not need to bring 2 more , especially one that was ready to pop any minute.  A Vet student was to take the girl but when a photo was seen he realized he had never helped with a normal whelp and she did not look as if she could make it a mile down the road let alone the 6 or more hours back to his school.

Both dogs were re homed, The Boy now named Shamus lives with his foster mom who became his forever mom after meeting him. ALL of us had felt that desire to keep the boy, his elegance and stregnth was beyond anything we had ever encountered. The girl stayed with us, I whelped her mixed litter and RR Rescue placed everyone, We named them the Casino Row Crew, names like  Blackjack and Lady Luck, Petite and Roullete, Ligthening even had a ridge.

The point of my post was NOT that miracles don't happen........ it was that LIFE happens.  Some of the families dropping dogs off at the shelter had nothing to come home to , the house was gone, insurance wasa nightmare and some how the family pet just had much less standing in the nature of things.

We managed to keep our dalmation through out 11 years of base changes... My mom would make friends with the MPs cookies and cakes, midnight treats so she could sneak Suzie out and walk her.  The Navy did not care that she was more sibling than furchild. It was agaisnt the rules. Mom broke the rules.

It is Not Arrogant to feel Blessed.  Or to Be Blessed... It is only Arrogant to believe that in all of the Universe YOU are the one individual that can't be touched, messed with or have thier life turned upside down...... You may overcome any and everything thrown at you ...then again you may not.

Bonita of Bwana

Paws for Peace

mollymoo

So now I have be told I`m a arrogant person.

I've been told I have no empathy, no heart. I've been called arrogant, rude, harsh, "superior"... I have been called "Miss Scarlet", as though I were the spoiled white girl ordering her slaves around! LOL It's all part of communicating on the Internet, I'm afraid.

Not everyone is nice, not everyone is thoughtful. Not everyone thinks before they let their fingers do the talking... I'm certainly guilty of being nasty and petty. But when it all comes down to it, there are more important things in life to take seriously and get upset about and to appreciate. What a stranger says about you (or me) is not important in the scheme of things.  

Just my opinion.  

FourIsCompany

I've been told I have no empathy, no heart. I've been called arrogant, rude, harsh, "superior"... I have been called "Miss Scarlet", as though I were the spoiled white girl ordering her slaves around! LOL It's all part of communicating on the Internet, I'm afraid.

 

And to quote dear Scarlet....."tomorrow is another day".

Offence and hurt feelings ARE consequences of communicating on the internet. Even I, who have never been edited or anything more than OT or ever recieved a mod's warning (little personal brag! LOL) have on occasion written things that someone has felt personally offended or attacked by and I would suggest that anyone with a sizable post count is guilty of the same. Raise your hands!  On the flip side I have also felt the sting of other's comments directed my way.  So unless you are without 'internet sin' yourself, it is often just better to let certain comments slide.  It really is small stuff IMO, but it makes for a good thread now and then! LOL