PM below, never heard of the dude!:
Gina I can see my views on training, prong collars, choke collars and other things are not going to be very well accepted on this board. And I'll be the first to admit I am sometimes not the most diplomatic person in the world. I am the moderator of a border collie rescue board and know what a chore it can be to keep everything in line. So please remove my user name, profile and associated posts. I didn't jump on here to become a headache to you or anyone else.
Thanks, Joe