Abuse report by espencer

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Abuse report by espencer

glenmar

Posted : 11/7/2007 8:03:32 PM

I can't deal with him again tonite...

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By espencer in Reporting Forums

Attacking behavior without offering any positve help to the poster in at leash half of that post

Forum: Behavior Problems
Posted: Nov 7, 1:13 PM [GMT -5]
Post Subject: Re: Jumping..
Post author: prolibertate

Chuffy, I believe you're correct about the 'don't try this at home'...it appears that all of Cesar's methods use that disclaimer, even for non-aggressive dogs...is it because they're dangerous for a non-trainer to use, or because he wants to get more people to hire him? The more I see of his methods, the more I wouldn't recommend him to anyone. It looked like he was giving the dog a pinch with his hand in the video. Even if he was only touching him, he's getting the dog to not enjoy being touched there...and the leg push is another no-no, IMO...there's no need for it. Just as there's no need to knee a dog in the chest when they jump up...all that's doing is giving the dog attention...he has no idea that one isn't playing when they do that, especially as it's supposed to be a gentle nudge. If it wasn't a gentle nudge then it would hurt, and who would want to hurt their dog? Ignoring the behavior works much better, as does isolating the dog when he jumps for 20-30 seconds. We do this with misbehaving kids and they learn it; so does a dog. I prefer the methods of Paul Owens, the original Dog Whispherer.

Benedict

Posted : 11/7/2007 9:15:38 PM

That post is not attacking of anyone except *perhaps* CM himself, who I maintain has opened himself up to criticism by dint of pursuing the career path he chose, and thus people should be allowed to say they like or don't like his methods as much as they wish. The poster isn't attacking anyone who uses CM's methods, just offering his own input on whether or not he'd use them.

It might be slightly off-topic, but I'm not even convinced it's unhelpful to the OP. Goes to credibility of CM, and all that.

Leave it for now, I'll rethink in the morning and see if I feel the same about it.

glenmar

Posted : 11/8/2007 7:01:16 AM

Phew. That was my thought, but then I was concerned that my thinking might be a bit skewed by the complainer.

The really sad thing is, CM is not a monster. And his show has brought a lot of folks to actually THINKING about the fact that cute little pups need training so as not to turn into monsters. But, with the way he is constantly being shoved down our throats I can't bring myself to find any redeeming qualities. And it's really too bad when a person is thought so negatively of not because of himself but because of his followers. I'm guessing that is NOT old espencers goal.