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Hello?????   Whether its against the law or not, whether this is happening in another country or not, it's just flat out WRONG!  These poor animals are literally torn apart alive.  That should disturb anyone.

You are still promoting dog fighting and in this country it is not legal.

As you *know* it still happens in this country and is against the law...have you been paying attention to those who have been arrested in the past two-three years..Bob Stevens name ring a bell to you? And seriously want to tell me why he was arrested? It wasn't for partcipating in a dog fight...yeah, I know too, matter of fact how about I put my signed copy of dogs of Velvet and Steel on E-bay and you can bid on it along with the note he wrote me when he gave it to me...I'm sure you think I'm a fluffy Am Staff person right..ROFL!

Tell your story some place else...I've visited your site and this was posted by YOU and you still believe in fighting. as your post states, sure why would you say you fight, cause it's criminal!  The breeds history should be left in the past.

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Originally Posted by sonnychebaThese dogs should be treasured , not thrown in a pit and fought to death or near death, its because of people doing things like this to this great loyal family dog, that the dog has a bad name.
I find the previous posts here distressing

i do not agree with your post, these dogs was bred to do this and love to do this, thats what they are bred for thats the meaning of gamedog, it doesnt give the breed a bad name its the ghetto street fighters that give the dog a bad name real dogmen dont showcase these things to the open public. I myself dont participate in this activity but i know what these dogs was bred for and what they love to do

Let me get this straight....an abrasive poster like Betsy is banned from this forum for being....well, abrasive.....but this forum allows a DOGFIGHTER to be a member?

HELLO, people! Did any of you take a look at the link in this guys signature? HE IS A DOGFIGHTER! His forum is about dogfighting, the polls, the discussions, everything.

I came to this forum because I THOUGHT it was a place for people who loved dogs as companion animals. But I guess I was wrong. Why are we even having a discussion with this scumbag, sociopath dogfighter? Why wasn't he simply banned as soon as he posted that link? He isn't talking about the history of the breed, he is talking about DOGFIGHTING! Just take a look at his link from his signature page. There is nothing ambiguous about it!

**Link Removed**

Why aren't more posters here outraged? I just spent 45 minutes trying to find an agency to report his site to.  All you people posting in the advocacy section, crying over the videos of wounded pit bulls.... HERE IS A GUY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE SUFFERING IN THOSE VIDEOS!

Am I the only one who thinks this creep should be sent packing back to the rock he crawled out from under? Where is Joel?

There is a process at idog.  No one is excluded or banned based on their beliefs.  Right or wrong as those beliefs might be.
 
Regardless of how repugnent I find this person personally, he isn't on here trying to convince US to fight our dogs, nor is he attacking any of us on a personal level.  I haven't seen a post that he has been abrasive or abusive.
 
Apparently you were never on the receiving end of Betsy's attacks and this is why you would even mention her leaving. 
 
As I understand it, JAIME is the one who makes the decisions regarding who stays and who goes.

Sorry, Glenda, I haven't been around long enough to know who else has been banned, and, quite honestly, I never read all the threads between you and Betsy. She was the poster that came to mind, because, whatever you could say about her, she did not participate in animal cruelty.
 
This is far bigger than "different beliefs". We don't ban people because they have different beliefs on training or feeding their dogs. But this poster is promoting animal cruelty; he is also promoting an activity that is illegal. We don't allow puppy millers or BYBers to come in and use this forum to sell their dogs....why is that? Because the forum doesn't support these activities because they hurt dogs?
 
This poster came in and "advertised" his site in a discussion that was all about responsible pit bull ownership. The OP got a lot of great advice about training and socializing and controling her dog. The dogman then comes in and asks the OP to visit his site...which is not about pet ownership at all. He then promotes dog fighting on this forum by telling posters that pit bulls "enjoy" fighting.
 
Are you telling me that, as long as dog fighters are "polite" they are welcome at idog? That it's not OK to be mean to another idog poster and hurt their feelings, but it is OK to promote the idea that dogs "enjoy" disemboweling each other in a pit fight?
 
This forum seemed like a safe haven for dog lovers. I have often felt this was the only place I could vent about things that bother me, like the tragedy of pet shops/puppy mills, the popularity of "designer dogs", etc. I read more than I post, and I am not here every day, but I really enjoy the regulars and their opinions/stories, (even yours, Glenda). But I'll be damned if I'll remain in  a forum where I have to read posts by some low life dogfighter scumbag promoting a site that glorifies dog fighting.
 
And I'm very disappointed in you, and many of the other regulars, that you are not outraged as well.

Actually, someone ELSE mentioned his site and then he came in and claimed it.
 
I AM outraged that he's promoting this crap.  I've been outraged by a lot of stuff that happens, but I don't make the decision as to who stays or goes.  We *might* have dozens of millers and byb's here.....who are simply smart enough not to try to sell their wares here.  We might even have other dogmen here.......what I like or don't like, what outrages ME isn't the issue.....what outrages YOU isn't the issue.  There is, unfortunately a fairness factor and a PROCESS.  We can gripe all we want to gripe but that doesn't change the PROCESS and you can't just ban someone because you think that they are morally bankrupt.

i do not agree with your post, these dogs was bred to do this and love to do this, thats what they are bred for thats the meaning of gamedog, it doesnt give the breed a bad name its the ghetto street fighters that give the dog a bad name real dogmen dont showcase these things to the open public. I myself dont participate in this activity but i know what these dogs was bred for and what they love to do.

I only own 2 dogs and i can post pics of both of my dogs and neither one of them has 1 scractch on them. and shame on the people who think they know me with their " morally bankrupt" statement i sure didnt know you can tell how morally stable a person is on the internet.

Hog wash.  Dogs do not love to kill or be killed.  And supporting fighting and needless suffering for "sport" makes the person supporting it, morally bankrupt.

No one else promoted HIS site. He posted it and I removed it TWICE.
 He has not been abusive, argumentive or is promoting dog fighting here.
 
As an owner and lover of the breed myself and having owned APBT's since 1990, maybe he could learn from our site  the importance of presenting a POSATIVE impression of the breed he states he knows and loves.
 
He can be awarded the same respect as anyone else here, three strikes.
 
I might not approve of what the content of his site is promoting but I also spend many, many hours educating people on this breed and what great family companions they are despite the history the breed has and the wanna be dogmen of today who don't have a clue as to what real dogmen would do.

You know what i appreciate that amstaffy, because atleast you are giving me the benefit of a doubt instead of trying to stereotype me like these other losers and i really dont appreciate that at all. with that said ill say it again, i dont not fight dogs never have never will. and i honestly think its a shame because these people see a post or 2 they automatically think " he fights dogs". people on my site is allowed to discuss anything they want i may not agree but i do allow freedom speech on my site. but my site is devoted to weight pull and conformation also. And i cant beleive you cann actually tell how morally stable a person is on the internet.

and those trying to report my site go ahead i dont care their isnt much they can do they can come to my yard anytime and visit my dogs []

Name calling is not permitted on this site so you've just hit strike #1
 
What I can't fathom is that this is your site, right? You have the right and the dedication to the breed not to allow what ever YOU feel is offensive or doesn't belong. I don't care how many peole are from out of the Country, the content is still on YOUR site and you "approve" it by not removing it.
 At a time when we all need to be promoting the posative image of the Pit Bull you are dragging it and it's owners down the gutter with your site. Imagine how posative of an impression you could make on fighting BSL with your time and energy.
 
 You live in NY, do you even have any idea the laws and regulations concerning the APBT owners being presented?
 
 

Regarding the first part of post 21, I stand corrected.  I misread something in another thread.  So my apologies for muddying the waters.
 
As for the rest, alpha male, if you want to feel welcome and comfortable at idog, I'd suggest that you stop promoting YOUR site, since you will find few here who do NOT find that kind of content regugnent.

you know what i dont get you amstaffy you allowed members to call me names in other post on the front page and say im "morally bankrupt" but i say the word loser and i get a strike. so that means you have 2 set of rules. i dont think thats right at all. make rules and stick with them for all people. cause that really isnt fair.